GPT Models Fail to Find Language Structure in the Voynich Manuscript
#6
(02-07-2025, 05:05 PM)oshfdk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For the results to be comparable, we need to establish how Voynichese words correspond to plaintext words (and if they are words and not syllables, character combinations, etc). I think it makes sense repeating the experiment using comparable training sizes and output sizes expressed in Shannon bits

I see your point, but I wonder if that distinction might be overemphasized. Whether the tokens represent words, syllables, or even phonemes, any genuine writing system that encodes natural language should still reflect the underlying linguistic structure — which GPT models are designed to pick up on, regardless of granularity.

For example, Chinese uses characters that are often closer to morphemes or syllables than words, and Latin is highly inflected with longer words — but both still have strong statistical patterns in their sequential structure. If Voynichese encoded a real language at any level — word, syllable, or otherwise — we’d expect some degree of learnable co-occurrence patterns.

So while it’s an open question what exactly Voynichese tokens represent, the GPT’s failure to learn even short sequences suggests something deeper than just a mismatch in segmentation level. It might be structural.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
RE: GPT Models Fail to Find Language Structure in the Voynich Manuscript - by quimqu - 02-07-2025, 06:34 PM

Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Measuring Long-Range Structure in the Voynich Manuscript quimqu 49 15,761 28-02-2026, 09:56 AM
Last Post: quimqu
  How LLM models try to understand Voynichese quimqu 6 6,420 28-09-2025, 09:18 AM
Last Post: stopsquark
  Why the Voynich Manuscript Might Not Be a Real Language quimqu 26 18,171 26-06-2025, 05:11 AM
Last Post: ReneZ
  Narration structure as the tiebreaker between cipher & (synthetic) language Anton 12 21,958 03-02-2016, 03:40 PM
Last Post: MarcoP

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)