An attempt at extracting grammar from vord order statistics.
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(30-05-2025, 09:25 PM)Rafal wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I had a look at the groups your algorythm found in VM but unfortunately couldn't spot any regularity.
You know, in many languages (but not so much in English) words making parts of speech like nouns or verbs are somehow similar.

Think of Latin verbs: bibere, dormire, obedire, vivere, movere etc. They all have similar endings. 

But in your groups there isn't any pattern. For example your first group is: shol, chey, shy, qotchy, oty, cheo, choty, qo, shaiin, cthody, qotchol, ytaiin, daly, oteody, ckhody, okeom, tsho, qokeeo, shoky, daim

The Latin example is very specific: those are verbs in the infinitive, i.e. a single verbal form out of tens of different possibilities from the conjugation of each verb. In order to correctly classify Latin infinitives as a distinct class, you probably need tens of different classes and a large corpus (100,000 words or more, I guess). Davidd’s experiments are designed to work on the limited size of the Voynich text and cannot identify such a fine-grained class of words. Also, we know that Voynichese is not a phonetic rendering of a European natural language, so we can expect that it behaves differently.

But Davidd’s results do show regularities, not too different from those I discussed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (words belonging to each class tend to be rather omogeneous [sic]).

For instance, I checked the top 10 words for the 7 classes for quireM (Quire 13) from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Quire 13 is both rather long and has a particularly low MATTR, so it’s one of the sections that give better hopes for this kind of analysis.
  • qokedy, qokeedy, qokeey, qoky, qotedy, qoteedy, qoty, lchey, lol, sal: the top 7 words start with q- and end with -y
  • shedy, chedy, shey, chey, dy, chckhy, sheedy, sheey, shckhy, cheol: 8 out of 10 start with a bench and end with -y; the top 4 show an even tighter pattern
  • qokain, qol, qokal, qokaiin, dar, qokar, qotal, okal, qotain, qokol: 8 out of 10 start with q- and do not end with -y
  • cheey, aiin, oly, olkain, otain, ain, checkhy, al, o, olkeey: 8 out of 10 start with one of the two “circles” o/a
  • lchedy, otedy, okedy, qokey, okeedy, lshedy, dshedy, oteey, pchedy, otey: 5 out of 10 start with o-gallows and end with -y
  • ol, daiin, dal, dain, y, okain, sol, saiin, okaiin, l: 5 out of 10 end with -n
  • or, r, s, ar, sar, olor, kain, otaiin, sheor, ykeedy: 6 out of 10 end with -r

For the first four classes, the patterns appear to be quite significant, in my opinion. They could suggest that Voynichese grammar is dominated by the last-first glyph combinations at word breaks that Emma May Smith and myself discussed in our You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
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