[Article] The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets
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(18-04-2024, 12:21 PM)bi3mw wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@MichelleL11: According to my research, Johannes Hartlieb also translated a balneological treatise into German. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any further information on this. Have you perhaps found anything about this in connection with your research on the article ?
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His versatility is reflected in his works: in addition to three medical works - the herb book, a Secreta mulierum treatment and a balneological treatise - he translated several fortune-telling books, the Minnetraktat des Andreas Capellanus, the Alexanderroman and the Brandanlegende from Latin into German. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Frauenheilkunde in volkssprachigen Arznei- und Kräuterbüchern des 12. bis 15. 
Jahrhunderts. Eine empirische Untersuchung, Dorothée Leidig, Page 261
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Most of it is still unedited, and we do not even reliably know the manuscript and printed distribution of it. Both of these are true of the "Bäderbuch", alongside the Secreta mulierum, the second medical writing in the narrower sense.
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Hartlieb's small balneology was never printed. Researchers know the work from two Munich manuscripts already recorded by K. Goedeke,1) cgm 732 and cgm 733; both contain only the "Bäderbuch". [2]
[2] FISCHER, HANNS. "ZU JOHANNES HARTLIEBS BÄDERBUCH" Beiträge zur Geschichte der deutschen Sprache und Literatur, vol. 84, no. Jahresband, 1962, pp. 296-300. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Note: Hartlieb translated Felix Hemmerlin's "De balneis naturalibus sive termalibus" for Sigmund in 1467

Hi, bi3mw:

Yes, Keagan and I dug into this question to a certain extent back in 2020 when we were seriously considering Johannes Hartlieb as being directly involved in producing the Voynich.  As discussed in the paper, we are now considering him a good reflection of certain attitudes present in the Voynich, but most likely too late to have actually been involved.

Still, the parallels between his work and what seems to be reflected in the manuscript based on images is compelling, so it is worth testing whether the claims of him having done all this work is well supported and to see the examples.

The primary set of references that we consulted that you did not include in your posting is the work done by Frank Fürbeth on this issue.

Frank Fürbeth, Johannes Hartlieb Untersuchungen zu Leben und Werk, Max Neimyer Verlag Tübingen (1992), p. 79-81.

Frank Fübeth, "Jordan Tömlinger statt Johannes Hartlieb: Ein Nachtrag zum Verfasserlexikon?" Zeitschrift für deutsches Altertumund deutsche Literatur 115:4 (4th quarter, 1986), 283-303.

Also, there is evidence that Hartmann Schedel later owned a copy of this work, see Werner William-Krapp, Die Literatur des 15. und frühen 16. Jahrhunderts: Teilband 1, in Geschichete der deutschen Literatur von Anfängen bis zum Beginn der Neuzeit, Band III: Von späten Mittlealter zum Beginn der Neuzeit, ed. Joachim Heinzel (Berlin, 2020), 89.

Very briefly, there is evidence that the bathing manuscript (a translation and expansion(?) of Hemmerlin's work) attributed to Johannes Hartlieb was likely actually done by Jordan Tömlinger, an attorney from a family of doctors, rather than by Hartlieb himself.  Such pseudo attributions were very common in medieval times, often to a "classical" author, to give the work credibility.  Interestingly, Hartlieb's name seems to have used in this way as well, to give other work credibility, even during his lifetime.  For example, the incorrect attribution of a manuscript recently discussed on the board to Hartlieb (see, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. citing You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) may be an example of this.

Hope this additional information helps.
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RE: The Voynich Manuscript, Dr Johannes Hartlieb and the Encipherment of Women’s Secrets - by MichelleL11 - 19-04-2024, 03:32 PM

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