Poll: What do you think the Rosettes page (the large fold-out with nine circles at the end of Quire 14) represents?
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I think the Rosettes page represents Heavenly Jerusalem.
14.29%
2 14.29%
I think the Rosettes page represents a general form of Heaven.
7.14%
1 7.14%
I think the Rosettes page represents a real place on Earth.
7.14%
1 7.14%
I have a different idea about the meaning of the Rosettes page.
50.00%
7 50.00%
I don't know what the Rosettes page represents.
21.43%
3 21.43%
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The Rosettes Page - March 2024
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(04-04-2024, 01:00 PM)pjburkshire wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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(03-04-2024, 08:40 PM)pjburkshire wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think the Voynich Manuscript is a constructed language or a cipher text. I think it is a now extinct natural language.


How do you explain the statistical properties of the text?


I leave that to the experts. I think they are doing a fine job.


Yes, but that contradicts your idea that it is written in a now extinct natural language.

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Friends of the Library Lecture: Lisa Fagin Davis
Nov 27, 2023

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31:43
So that's another way of looking at it. And then finally another example
31:48
is something called Zipf's law. So one question you have to ask yourself is, is it a language?
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Is it just random nonsense, is it randomly generated? Does it actually represent a human language?
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And one of the tests that linguists use for this is something called Zipf's law,
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which says that the most common word in a language will appear basically twice as often as the next one,
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which will be twice as often as the next one. And so when you graph that frequency, this is what you end up with.
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If you do this for the "Voynich Manuscript", the "Voynich Manuscript," right?
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That was the right reaction. It's really thrilling to see that because that really suggests
32:35
that it is in fact a natural human language. It's not an invented language like Elvish.
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Elvish does not conform to Zipf's law as much as Tolkien wanted it to or Dothraki
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or Klingon or something. This seems to represent a naturally evolving human language.
32:54
We just don't know what language yet.
33:00

Lisa Fagin Davis is a palaeographer, so not necessarily the best person to site regarding the statistical properties of the Voynich text. I suggest on reading up about the statistical properties of Voynichese and you will see the difficulties.
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The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by pjburkshire - 19-03-2024, 05:48 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by RobGea - 19-03-2024, 06:23 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by MarcoP - 20-03-2024, 05:01 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 19-03-2024, 06:28 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by nablator - 19-03-2024, 07:11 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by bi3mw - 19-03-2024, 06:45 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 19-03-2024, 10:07 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 20-03-2024, 04:40 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by MarcoP - 21-03-2024, 10:07 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 19-03-2024, 10:15 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by ReneZ - 20-03-2024, 04:32 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by MarcoP - 20-03-2024, 08:00 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 20-03-2024, 08:18 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by ReneZ - 21-03-2024, 12:09 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by ReneZ - 22-03-2024, 12:53 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 22-03-2024, 11:15 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 22-03-2024, 01:23 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by ReneZ - 01-04-2024, 10:09 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 02-04-2024, 07:05 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Mark Knowles - 04-04-2024, 01:12 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Hermes777 - 05-04-2024, 03:28 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by tavie - 03-04-2024, 08:02 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Hermes777 - 03-04-2024, 10:53 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by tavie - 04-04-2024, 05:50 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by tavie - 05-04-2024, 11:54 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Hermes777 - 05-04-2024, 11:30 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 13-04-2024, 03:49 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Barbrey - 05-08-2024, 03:32 AM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 18-11-2024, 08:47 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 18-11-2024, 11:20 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by Koen G - 19-11-2024, 03:27 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 19-11-2024, 06:59 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 18-02-2026, 07:53 PM
RE: The Rosettes Page - March 2024 - by R. Sale - 08-04-2026, 11:20 PM

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