25-04-2023, 04:24 PM
@MichelleL11
I really appreciate the second image.
In the Gaston Febus ms above, besides being written twice in red ink, 'dain' occurs twice in each of the two relevant text segments written in black ink. So, this is clearly a word variation that has currency at the time. However, if it was produced for Philip the Bold (d. 1404) there may be an issue with the date in the description.
'Dain' refers to a fallow dear, and if VMs 'daiin' is really 'daim', then that also would also refer to a fallow deer.
Would the author of the VMs text be a person who was *not* familiar with these fairly common French words??
@ReneZ
Yeah, it does sort of look like a squirrel, although the tail really isn't very bushy. However, if the investigation of manuscript illustrations has shown anything, it is that that the details of appearance really count for very little. Check out all (82) the different depictions of elephants, some with pointy, little horse's ears. If the image is supposed to *be* an elephant, then it *is* an elephant, regardless of ears, tails or whatever other abnormalities of *appearance* there may be.
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And the representation posted above is clearly labeled. We know what the label means. There is no other potential 'fallow deer' in the illustration. There is no alternate interpretation.
So, why would the VMs text refer to fallow deer so frequently?
There is an interesting fellow, Olivier le Dain, barber (etc.) to French king, Louis XI, a bit late for the parchment dates. Would imply manuscript creation in mid to latter 1400s.
But, seriously, dain is a word, apparently a variant, known to anyone of the VMs era familiar with French, but has the translation been discussed previously? Perhaps I've missed it.
I really appreciate the second image.
In the Gaston Febus ms above, besides being written twice in red ink, 'dain' occurs twice in each of the two relevant text segments written in black ink. So, this is clearly a word variation that has currency at the time. However, if it was produced for Philip the Bold (d. 1404) there may be an issue with the date in the description.
'Dain' refers to a fallow dear, and if VMs 'daiin' is really 'daim', then that also would also refer to a fallow deer.
Would the author of the VMs text be a person who was *not* familiar with these fairly common French words??
@ReneZ
Yeah, it does sort of look like a squirrel, although the tail really isn't very bushy. However, if the investigation of manuscript illustrations has shown anything, it is that that the details of appearance really count for very little. Check out all (82) the different depictions of elephants, some with pointy, little horse's ears. If the image is supposed to *be* an elephant, then it *is* an elephant, regardless of ears, tails or whatever other abnormalities of *appearance* there may be.
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And the representation posted above is clearly labeled. We know what the label means. There is no other potential 'fallow deer' in the illustration. There is no alternate interpretation.
So, why would the VMs text refer to fallow deer so frequently?
There is an interesting fellow, Olivier le Dain, barber (etc.) to French king, Louis XI, a bit late for the parchment dates. Would imply manuscript creation in mid to latter 1400s.
But, seriously, dain is a word, apparently a variant, known to anyone of the VMs era familiar with French, but has the translation been discussed previously? Perhaps I've missed it.