Koen and Sam,
Personally I think (as Rene), the better match is this picture:
![[Image: img740.jpg]](http://bestiary.ca/beastimage/img740.jpg)
Talking about sources of a certain image, but not about derivation history of the medieval art, if you think that ancient mosaics can be a source of the VMs Leo, why do you think that bestiaries or heraldic pictures can't be a source of it, as in any of these cases "our" Leo looks unusual?
In the second case, at least, the aim of the author is clear and natural – to make zodiacal diagrams, which represent Zodiac or an astrological calendar. What is the aim of the author in the case of intentional depiction of the modified leopard (panther) here, if it doesn't relate to Zodiac at all?
I understand that you make accent on the similarity of the muzzle of "our" Leo with the muzzle of a real leopard, but not with those from bestiaries. From the other side, I see one more possibility: there can be influence of Arabic astrological manuscripts, where Leo mostly have just symbolical mane or doesn't have it at all, but his muzzle is more natural than medieval European ones. Moreover, view on the muzzle of an animal from above is inherent exactly in Arabic depictions.
![[Image: 85eb7b41b070e982e3c3c663d6f21053.jpg]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/85/eb/7b/85eb7b41b070e982e3c3c663d6f21053.jpg)
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We can see the same angle (view from above a head or a muzzle) in the image of the fish on the f79v.
![[Image: attachment.php?aid=507]](http://www.voynich.ninja/attachment.php?aid=507)
This picture shows two eyes too as the Leo picture, I really don't think that the second eye of the lion was drawn later by anyone else. Of course, such view is quite rare, especially for ancient images (in profile). For now, I found only one picture of the fish depicted in this way in Arabic source (I can't attach it right now).
Actually, I see no obstacles to think that the appearance of the VMs Leo can be combined, for example, of 2 shapes: usual medieval representation and Arabic view, thus, represents unusual, but still European Zodiac Leo.
To Koen:
Maybe you will clarify where your line of thought leads? I mean, generally, I suspect your further developments as I read your last blogpost (although, maybe, I'm wrong?!).
What is the Top Secret of this?
Personally I think (as Rene), the better match is this picture:
Talking about sources of a certain image, but not about derivation history of the medieval art, if you think that ancient mosaics can be a source of the VMs Leo, why do you think that bestiaries or heraldic pictures can't be a source of it, as in any of these cases "our" Leo looks unusual?
In the second case, at least, the aim of the author is clear and natural – to make zodiacal diagrams, which represent Zodiac or an astrological calendar. What is the aim of the author in the case of intentional depiction of the modified leopard (panther) here, if it doesn't relate to Zodiac at all?
I understand that you make accent on the similarity of the muzzle of "our" Leo with the muzzle of a real leopard, but not with those from bestiaries. From the other side, I see one more possibility: there can be influence of Arabic astrological manuscripts, where Leo mostly have just symbolical mane or doesn't have it at all, but his muzzle is more natural than medieval European ones. Moreover, view on the muzzle of an animal from above is inherent exactly in Arabic depictions.
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We can see the same angle (view from above a head or a muzzle) in the image of the fish on the f79v.
This picture shows two eyes too as the Leo picture, I really don't think that the second eye of the lion was drawn later by anyone else. Of course, such view is quite rare, especially for ancient images (in profile). For now, I found only one picture of the fish depicted in this way in Arabic source (I can't attach it right now).
Actually, I see no obstacles to think that the appearance of the VMs Leo can be combined, for example, of 2 shapes: usual medieval representation and Arabic view, thus, represents unusual, but still European Zodiac Leo.
To Koen:
Maybe you will clarify where your line of thought leads? I mean, generally, I suspect your further developments as I read your last blogpost (although, maybe, I'm wrong?!).
What is the Top Secret of this?