f1v as Cloves

[Linda]

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Cloves (left) and Belladonna (right) from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1621).

Hi Marco,

I think I see your point, being that the belladonna drawings provided match better to the manuscript than the clove drawings do, however, the pointy non-clasping bracts still exist in both supplied representations of the belladonna, except maybe for one berry in each. Are you suggesting that is the commonality? That they decided to pick that one common berry to draw even though it is representative of only 5-10% of the available representations in both? The different sized leaves are still in the coloured version (and it is the more correct representation to reality), there is still no explanation of the colour difference used in the manuscript, both were drawn with leaf veins, (again except perhaps one in each), and both roots don't match the diagram either.

I'll counter with this drawing of Clove (Qaranful) (bottom) from the Aja'ib al-makhluqat ("Wonders of Creation") by Muhammad al-Qazwini (b. Zakariya) c. 1203-1283) :


I was quite interested to see it myself, as it has both the hairy root and only shows the tops of the cloves.

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Linda

Have you read Diane's post about this plant as cloves?
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Yes, although I am not sure of the other plant being indicated, nor the robes/clavus connection. But we appear to agree regarding the basic identification.

I had at one time thought clavus referred to claws, but rather it refers to nails (the type you hammer, which the clove spice resembles, hence the name). I found it funny that in English, there is a double "pun" you can make with the root, both with regard to the callouses and the toe nails homophone connection.