23-07-2021, 06:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 23-07-2021, 06:37 AM by Pythagoras.)
I did find two other possible apophatic connections to the VMS.
1. The Cloud of Unknowing
(Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing", at which point one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.
2. Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (or Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite) of Corpus Areopagiticum.
Was initially thought to be 1st Century Dionysius the Areopagite but in the 15th Century it was demonstrated to be dated much later circa 6th Century.
These apophatic texts were an integration of mysticism into theological traditions (whether christian or pagan) (influenced by expansions of the east at the time).
Indeed our central castle image in our VMS map is atop of a cloud.
This tradition has reputedly inspired generations of mystics, from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (the latter two of whom may have been influenced by The Cloud itself).
Such mysticism indeed was present in the ancient world with the Elusynian and Orphic mysteries and in eastern mysticism, but lacking in the Christiandome.
When people are devastated by floods, plague, war (crusades), famine, and uncertainty, (and inquisition) they may ask why would a good God do this? and thus turn to mysticism to explain.
Indeed ive found many references to Orphic songs in the VMS text.
so its very possible the authors of the VMS, were influenced by these "pseudo dionysian" apophatic mystical writers.
If Christine dePizan has a hand in the VMS, she or they may have been influenced for example (by the classic mysteries themselves) or by Thomas Gallus and other Pseudo Dionysiian or apophatic writers.
Why do i think the text is pseudo dyonsian connected? because of the orphic songs ive found referred to in the text (which the mystery cults used) and to the dionysian themes referred to in the text.
1. The Cloud of Unknowing
(Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing", at which point one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.
2. Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite (or Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite) of Corpus Areopagiticum.
Was initially thought to be 1st Century Dionysius the Areopagite but in the 15th Century it was demonstrated to be dated much later circa 6th Century.
These apophatic texts were an integration of mysticism into theological traditions (whether christian or pagan) (influenced by expansions of the east at the time).
Indeed our central castle image in our VMS map is atop of a cloud.
This tradition has reputedly inspired generations of mystics, from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (the latter two of whom may have been influenced by The Cloud itself).
Such mysticism indeed was present in the ancient world with the Elusynian and Orphic mysteries and in eastern mysticism, but lacking in the Christiandome.
When people are devastated by floods, plague, war (crusades), famine, and uncertainty, (and inquisition) they may ask why would a good God do this? and thus turn to mysticism to explain.
Indeed ive found many references to Orphic songs in the VMS text.
so its very possible the authors of the VMS, were influenced by these "pseudo dionysian" apophatic mystical writers.
If Christine dePizan has a hand in the VMS, she or they may have been influenced for example (by the classic mysteries themselves) or by Thomas Gallus and other Pseudo Dionysiian or apophatic writers.
Why do i think the text is pseudo dyonsian connected? because of the orphic songs ive found referred to in the text (which the mystery cults used) and to the dionysian themes referred to in the text.