[split] Discussion of f116v interpretations by Anton Alipov

[ThomasCoon]

I agree with Koen: There are so many varieties of Middle High German that they are just barely the same language. Spelling was not standardized either. So to Searcher and Anton, I don't see any reason why the vord "valden" can't be NHD "walten" or MHD "valten".


"walten über" is a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in NHD and means "rule/preside over". "Walten über den" (valden ubren) would have to mean "rule over this/it" or "preside over this/it."

Anton, you're right about your translation of "do valten in di sunde" - I'll just add that this verb form is third person plural (which I'm sure you know) - "they fell." In German, a conjugated verb usually has a subject nearby (in the poem it's the "si" in the 6th line, which means "they"). It's uncommon for a conjugated verb not to have a subject, which means that it must be one of the cipher words if valden is indeed past.

I believe that exhausts all the MHD options until we find a Middle German professor

Thank you!
So, maybe, there is still probability that gas can be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  or gaff  (gaf mich=I gave myself???)
"... so take I gave myself" ?!

If that character is indeed an "f", then gaf would be a possibility also - especially since you have found "ik gaf" in another Germanic language. Usually "b" becomes "p" (Bocks -> Pox!) but evidently "f" is another possibility.
The standard pronoun would be Dative "mir" (ich gab mir), but some Germans say "gib mich" also.

Generally, I think, it is quite possible to be not gas, but gaf, also because of the line which comes from the letter "g" through the letter "a" and through the next letter (f or long s), it is just worn.

I can see why you think that - Anton says that that "worn" part is the beginning of the next "m". It's hard to tell, either way