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[split] Big f116v spillover thread.
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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH
Radim Dobeš > 04-08-2026, 12:39 PM
(04-08-2026, 10:47 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-08-2026, 09:23 AM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One day this entire thread will become a case study in pareidolia and confirmation bias...
Indeed, all the attempts at deciphering the text of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the last 100 years are a big case of meta-pareidolia: people "seeing" meaningful words in a bunch of mostly random letters, which were written by a guy a few centuries ago who "saw" Latin or German words on a smattering of random smudges that were once Voynichese glyphs.
All the best, --stolfi
I was reading a discussion about this text and caught sight of words like "goat" and "milk." From the perspective of that thread, however, this would be highly significant. Given that I also present methods from grimoires and magical scrolls here—for instance, in *The Key of Solomon* (*Clavicula Salomonis*), goatskin is explicitly mentioned for specific rituals—it makes sense. Milk could also have had multiple meanings, ranging from a bleaching agent to a ritual ingredient. To me, it looks like instructions for preparing or purifying (including magically) the parchment. -
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH
Jorge_Stolfi > 04-08-2026, 12:44 PM
(04-08-2026, 11:51 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-08-2026, 10:47 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.pareidolia [...] a smattering of random smudges that were once Voynichese glyphs.
Allow me some vigorous quote-trimming to highlight the irony of this statement.
Indeed it is ironic that those who have disimissed the whole retracing thread as "pareidolia" are still so keen on trying to "see" meaningful words in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. text.
Face it, folks. If the text on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was a meaningful message in any Germanic dialect and/or Romance language, even by a poorly educated scribe, the real paleographers would have identified the language and translated its meaning, a century ago. Their failure to do so should be enough proof that it is not any real language, and there is no message.
There is no way that "six marix morix vix abia ma'ria" can be a meaningful Latin or Romance sentence. Maybe whoever wrote "poxleber" indeed meant "buck's liver", and where he wrote "so nim" and "mich" he indeed meant those German words. But those would be just his (totally bogus) guesses for whatever smudges remained of the original text.
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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH
Jorge_Stolfi > 04-08-2026, 12:48 PM
(04-08-2026, 12:39 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was reading a discussion about this text and caught sight of words like "goat" and "milk."
Except that the words are not "goat" and "milk". The most likely guesses are "gas mich" or "gaf mich", which only a particularly powerful pareidolioscope can read as "goat's milk".
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH
Radim Dobeš > 04-08-2026, 12:57 PM
(04-08-2026, 12:48 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-08-2026, 12:39 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was reading a discussion about this text and caught sight of words like "goat" and "milk."
Except that the words are not "goat" and "milk". The most likely guesses are "gas mich" or "gaf mich", which only a particularly powerful pareidolioscope can read as "goat's milk".
All the best, --stolfi
I must have overlooked it, then, but I thought I saw it in that other discussion thread. -
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH
Jorge_Stolfi > 04-08-2026, 01:17 PM
(04-08-2026, 12:57 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-08-2026, 12:48 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
(04-08-2026, 12:39 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I was reading a discussion about this text and caught sight of words like "goat" and "milk."
Except that the words are not "goat" and "milk". The most likely guesses are "gas mich" or "gaf mich", which only a particularly powerful pareidolioscope can read as "goat's milk".
All the best, --stolfi
I must have overlooked it, then, but I thought I saw it in that other discussion thread.
Indeed people have struggled to read those two words as "goat's milk". The "gas" apparently could be "goat" in some dialect. But no one can explain how the "L" of "milch" could have gone missing.
And there is also no explanation for why the "recipe" could end with "then take goats milk o". -
RE: [split] Big f116v spillover thread.
Koen G > 04-08-2026, 02:35 PM
*f116v spillover thread activated*
Stolfi: just to be clear, I have always argued that "gasmich" is unattested for "goat's milk", as are both individual components. But also that, given the context of "so nim" and the charm, readings of "gasmich" and "poxleber" as ingredients are more likely than the offered alternatives.
The writing on the low-quality flyleaf is clearly fragmentary and messy. But maybe that's just because text on such a page tends to be messy? -
RE: [split] Big f116v spillover thread.
JoJo_Jost > 04-08-2026, 03:10 PM
Well, that's just a matter of opinion; I don't think it's chaotic at all. It's a charm or a magic incantation, and of the ones I've read, many are very hard to understand. This one actually has more understandable words than some of the others magical sentences -
RE: [split] Big f116v spillover thread.
Koen G > 04-08-2026, 03:53 PM
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RE: [split] Big f116v spillover thread.
JoJo_Jost > 04-08-2026, 04:34 PM
@ Koen
1 If one bakes little cakes from goat's blood and barley flour and lays them into the fish traps [Reiser maybe plural of Reyss/Reuse], many fish will come.
Arzneibuch 1617. Alem. XII 27.
2 If you want to catch many fish in a fish trap, take a piece of rotten willow wood that shines at night, put it into a glass, seal it so that no water can get in, and lay it into a trap.
Ibid.
3 Take [teufels krautach] devil’s weed, press the milk out of it and smear hands and feet with it in the sun: then you will catch all the fish.
Ibid.
4 Likewise, if you want to catch crayfish by hand, lay [keren fisch] on the roof and let them rot there; then put them into a trap, and the crayfish will all come in. Or (take) a buck's liver and let it rot well for 3 days; [stoß dann sie an den Spitz/ and push them at the top ????], and the crayfish will all come to it.
Ibid.