[split] Discussion of f116v interpretations by Anton Alipov
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(11-07-2016, 12:57 AM)Dolokhov wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Because "falten" is a motion (folding implies moving things), uber could take accusative case, and "den" is an accusative article. In German, an article like "den" can stand without a noun ("Hast du den Ball?" - "Ja, ich habe den im Auto") but only if the noun is clearly understood and already mentioned. If the aror sheey is something like "find a table / stream / cross / Bible", and the next direction is "fold (this spell paper) over it", then "ubern" as "über den" might make sense. But I personally think that option A is correct - that "ubern" is an elided "uberen/oberen."

Quote:Actually I'm trying to find possibilities for the scenario where aror sheey denotes some object, over which one needs to fold the paper with the spell.

There are some arguments against such a scenario though. The object would be necessarily a small one, because to fold paper over some large object, such as part of a body, you need a huge sheet of paper (not a spell, but rather a newspaper). Next, if aror sheey stands for an object, then we are left in the dark as to the purpose of the spell. Fold me over aror sheey, then take me quickly... und so weiter?  Smile

If it is a small and thin piece of paper (even the size of a fortune cookie slip), you could fold it length-wise several times. But I agree that the translation wouldn't make much sense. "find a table, and fold (the spell) over it, and then take me quickly" is simply nonsensical.

Does it make sense if aror sheey is a part of the sentence in the first person (I do, I will etc.)?
Could valden or valten  be interpreted as walten? 
Thanks in advance.
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RE: [split] Discussion of f116v interpretations by Anton Alipov - by Searcher - 11-07-2016, 10:22 AM
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