JKP,
I am quite interested in potential for connections to the Duchy of Burgundy, roughly in the same time as the Carbon-14 dates and somewhat after - primarily. I've recently read Richard Vaughan's book on Philip the Good. So the myth of Melusine and the accompanying connections of historical provenance, which connect with Berry and Burgundy constitute another bale of straw loaded on the camel's back.
The thing that has convinced me is the comparison of the VMs critter with actual representation seen in the Golden Fleece medallion. Clearly there are significant visual differences. Yet various sources have made the suggestion that it might be the Golden Fleece. But the full interpretation of the VMs drawing wasn't really clear until after your investigation of Agnus Dei images and the discovery of a shared structure between the VMs representation and illustration of the same three-part (lamb / cosmic boundary / droplets) structure found in BNF. Fr. 13096. While at first it seems these two items of provenance inhabit two separate worlds, the information provided supplies the point of common provenance. The manuscript was in the library of Philip the Good. And like a magnet, things snap together.
What are the choices? Either the comparison is accepted, and it is accepted with all its ramifications and parameters. Or it is rejected. But rejected on what grounds. Provenance is provenance. I am not creating anything. I am merely pointing it out. If someone can shoot holes in the data, fire away.
I've read your assessment of the Nahuatl hypothesis. I think there is a much better case to be made based out of these and other more general examples of historical and cultural provenance for a Burgundian connection.
The cosmic comparison has provided two items of provenance out of Paris, but between 1420 and 1435 Paris was held by the Anglo-Burgundian side, not the French. And this would potentially explain Burgundian access to the cosmic illustrations.
The investigation of those little square wallpaper patterns used in the VMs circular bands, plentiful in early French images, clearly links to Burgundy in a 1420 illustration.
There is plenty of strong circumstantial evidence for historical contact that might even allow for an explanation of how Oresme's cosmos got dropped into the middle of Shirakatsi's diagram of the 'Eight Phases of the Moon'. Like a Jaguar with a Ford engine.
If you know of other items with Burgundian provenance to contribute that will surely help to further confirm the nature of VMs origins.
I am quite interested in potential for connections to the Duchy of Burgundy, roughly in the same time as the Carbon-14 dates and somewhat after - primarily. I've recently read Richard Vaughan's book on Philip the Good. So the myth of Melusine and the accompanying connections of historical provenance, which connect with Berry and Burgundy constitute another bale of straw loaded on the camel's back.
The thing that has convinced me is the comparison of the VMs critter with actual representation seen in the Golden Fleece medallion. Clearly there are significant visual differences. Yet various sources have made the suggestion that it might be the Golden Fleece. But the full interpretation of the VMs drawing wasn't really clear until after your investigation of Agnus Dei images and the discovery of a shared structure between the VMs representation and illustration of the same three-part (lamb / cosmic boundary / droplets) structure found in BNF. Fr. 13096. While at first it seems these two items of provenance inhabit two separate worlds, the information provided supplies the point of common provenance. The manuscript was in the library of Philip the Good. And like a magnet, things snap together.
What are the choices? Either the comparison is accepted, and it is accepted with all its ramifications and parameters. Or it is rejected. But rejected on what grounds. Provenance is provenance. I am not creating anything. I am merely pointing it out. If someone can shoot holes in the data, fire away.
I've read your assessment of the Nahuatl hypothesis. I think there is a much better case to be made based out of these and other more general examples of historical and cultural provenance for a Burgundian connection.
The cosmic comparison has provided two items of provenance out of Paris, but between 1420 and 1435 Paris was held by the Anglo-Burgundian side, not the French. And this would potentially explain Burgundian access to the cosmic illustrations.
The investigation of those little square wallpaper patterns used in the VMs circular bands, plentiful in early French images, clearly links to Burgundy in a 1420 illustration.
There is plenty of strong circumstantial evidence for historical contact that might even allow for an explanation of how Oresme's cosmos got dropped into the middle of Shirakatsi's diagram of the 'Eight Phases of the Moon'. Like a Jaguar with a Ford engine.
If you know of other items with Burgundian provenance to contribute that will surely help to further confirm the nature of VMs origins.