Voynich text generation
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Some comments on JKP's cipher, based on my study of it so far:

Since the cipher word boundaries do not necessarily correspond to plain text word boundaries, I removed all cipher text spaces and took a look at the running cipher text. Some peculiar letter sequence properties emerge:

[t] occurs 9 times, but 8 of those are as part of the sequence [ot] ! This is not typical for a one-to-one substitution of a natural language. Now if Koen is right, [o] could just be the null character, explaining this and other sequences. But I find the number and location of potential vowel and consonant characters don't pattern so well without [o]. (In particular, I find a lack of a sufficient number of distinct sufficiently frequent characters to represent all of the distinct frequent vowels of a natural language, if [o] is a null and not a vowel. In short, I can't find good candidates for each of "a", "e", "i", and "o", and still have enough consonants left in the text, if [o] is not one of the vowels.) The text seems more plausible with [o] as a vowel of some type. Alternatively, [t] could be the null character. But [t] actually fits smoothly as a potential consonant between potential vowels, so this is not my preferred hypothesis either.

More remarkably, the unusually frequent repeated sequences extend beyond just [ot]:

5 of the 8 [ot] occurrences are as part of [ainot], and they are all in the first two lines!
[ot] further occurs to begin the second line, and possibly to begin the first line, if [f] is a pilcrow and not a letter.

Finally, most remarkably of all, there is a very long almost repeated sequence, with only a few letters between them, in the second line:

[aryky(y)painot]

This is the full sequence in the second line, with my own spaces to highlight this sequence:

[ otecth  arykyypainot  yat  arykypainot ]

The end of the second line is striking as well:

[ acthainain  otiry  cthainoaiin ]

I highlight [otiry] with spaces because it also occurs to begin the first line, if [f] is a pilcrow.

[k] has some unusually frequent sequencing properties as well:
5 of its 9 occurrences are as part of [yk], including the 2 times in the long almost repeated sequence in the second line above. 2 of the others are as part of [yyk].
[k] also occurs 3 times as part of [ok], and once as part of [eek]. The double characters (long vowels?) before and after [k] in the cipher text are striking. There is also the [kyy] in the first long repeated sequence above, and [kaa] near the end of the fourth line is the only [aa] in the whole text. In the first line there is even [eeyyk].

And all of this occurs in a basically one-to-one substitution cipher!

Geoffrey
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Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 15-03-2019, 07:49 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 15-03-2019, 08:01 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 15-03-2019, 08:05 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 15-03-2019, 10:41 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 16-03-2019, 07:12 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 16-03-2019, 04:25 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 16-03-2019, 07:24 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 16-03-2019, 07:48 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 16-03-2019, 09:00 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 16-03-2019, 05:52 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by bi3mw - 16-03-2019, 04:49 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 16-03-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 16-03-2019, 11:19 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 17-03-2019, 12:35 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 18-03-2019, 05:33 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 17-03-2019, 04:38 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Emma May Smith - 17-03-2019, 02:20 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 17-03-2019, 03:17 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 17-03-2019, 04:50 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 17-03-2019, 11:24 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 18-03-2019, 07:23 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 18-03-2019, 12:21 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Emma May Smith - 18-03-2019, 02:22 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 18-03-2019, 03:20 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Aldis Mengelsons - 18-03-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 18-03-2019, 03:54 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 18-03-2019, 04:51 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Emma May Smith - 18-03-2019, 06:18 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 18-03-2019, 09:55 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 18-03-2019, 10:49 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 18-03-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Aldis Mengelsons - 19-03-2019, 12:03 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 19-03-2019, 01:49 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 19-03-2019, 02:25 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 19-03-2019, 02:49 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 19-03-2019, 04:51 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 19-03-2019, 05:05 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 19-03-2019, 01:01 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 19-03-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 19-03-2019, 09:41 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 19-03-2019, 09:46 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Emma May Smith - 19-03-2019, 08:11 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Wladimir D - 20-03-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by nablator - 02-04-2019, 02:12 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by bi3mw - 14-04-2019, 08:14 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by nablator - 14-04-2019, 10:08 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 14-04-2019, 10:37 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Koen G - 14-04-2019, 01:26 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by nablator - 14-04-2019, 04:21 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 14-04-2019, 10:11 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by bi3mw - 14-04-2019, 10:11 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Koen G - 14-04-2019, 11:09 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 14-04-2019, 11:13 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 15-04-2019, 06:08 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2019, 12:13 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 15-04-2019, 12:16 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2019, 02:25 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 15-04-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 15-04-2019, 03:37 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 17-04-2019, 03:53 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by ReneZ - 17-04-2019, 05:45 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Koen G - 17-04-2019, 08:34 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 18-04-2019, 02:10 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by geoffreycaveney - 18-04-2019, 02:23 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 18-04-2019, 04:22 AM
RE: Voynich text generation - by -JKP- - 21-04-2019, 07:12 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by Koen G - 21-04-2019, 09:06 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by RenegadeHealer - 20-02-2021, 07:59 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by DonaldFisk - 02-02-2024, 11:49 PM
RE: Voynich text generation - by RobGea - 01-02-2024, 12:14 PM

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