01-03-2019, 10:45 PM
Rats i lost my big long reply after i left the page for too long looking to complete a thought. Ugh. But it made me think of other things.
I find it really cool that you get zoom morphs going too. I guess it is based on the fact that we don't know what is portrayed, so we get different patterns going along the same lines of thought. For me they have a tendency to fall in threes, changing sizes along the way, but each informs the other.
You said elsewhere about how a theory will not solve anything, it is a tool to direct the research.
My theory has quire 13 as a periplus and quire 14 as a map of sorts. Perhaps the text encodes coordinates and the rosettes are where the windroses go, with hints as to what gets drawn from there. So, Vesuvius would belong to the corner rosette. Possibly that would mean anything south of there would belong to the middle rosette, since the volcano points that way.
I see the rosettes basically as follows, remember there are morphs but for now i want to give them names.
Ceuta/Tunisia Andorra Vesuvius/Alps
Libya Sicily Aegean Sea
Egypt/Arabia Mesopotamia Armenia
Now take a look at the windroses here.
![[Image: Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg)
The windrose circles in northwestern Africa are similar to the morphs i mentioned the other day, except I hadnt equated them to windroses, just what i could see them standing for. The one in the centre of northwestern Africa, then the one in Algeria, and one on Tunisia, which i also just figured recently as another morph for the tubes. Lines from two of the windroses pass through Ceuta.
There isnt one at Andorra but two of the Europe circles pass by. This could just mean this is not the right map presentation. Windroses aren't standard in their positions, the lines don't mean anything in terms of a route because there is no projection involved in portolan maps.
![[Image: Tracing-of-the-portolan-chart-by-Angelin...l_Q320.jpg]](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roel_Nicolai/publication/283519539/figure/fig1/AS:529486917058560@1503250926482/Tracing-of-the-portolan-chart-by-Angelino-Dulcert-1339-The-dimensions-of-the-original_Q320.jpg)
This just to show that they are different positions. Continuing on with the first example:
One near the alps that has a line going through Vesuvius/Naples.
One centred in the Aegean Sea.
One at Armenia.
Euphrates, check.
Red Sea, check.
Libya, yes.
Sicily, No.
Enough to keep me on that track for a bit, though.
Could be like this too, squaring the circle.
![[Image: 37285.jpg]](https://img.raremaps.com/xlarge/37285.jpg)
From wiki, plus it mentioned these were usually mnemonic personal collections kept secret....
Handbooks often contained a wealth of information beyond sailing directions. For instance, they frequently had detailed physical descriptions of shorelines, harbors, islands, channels, notes about tides, landmarks, reefs, shoals and difficult entries, instructions on how to use navigational instruments to determine position and plot routes, calendars, astronomical tables, mathematical tables and calculation rules (notably the rule of marteloio), lists of customs regulations at different ports, medical recipes, instructions on ship repair, etc.[5] As a result, the nautical chart never fully replaced the handbook, but remained supplementary to it.
Could the vms be one of these handbooks?
![[Image: 300px-Tondo_e_quadro_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Tondo_e_quadro_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg/300px-Tondo_e_quadro_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg)
![[Image: Toleta_de_marteloio_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Toleta_de_marteloio_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg)
I find it really cool that you get zoom morphs going too. I guess it is based on the fact that we don't know what is portrayed, so we get different patterns going along the same lines of thought. For me they have a tendency to fall in threes, changing sizes along the way, but each informs the other.
You said elsewhere about how a theory will not solve anything, it is a tool to direct the research.
My theory has quire 13 as a periplus and quire 14 as a map of sorts. Perhaps the text encodes coordinates and the rosettes are where the windroses go, with hints as to what gets drawn from there. So, Vesuvius would belong to the corner rosette. Possibly that would mean anything south of there would belong to the middle rosette, since the volcano points that way.
I see the rosettes basically as follows, remember there are morphs but for now i want to give them names.
Ceuta/Tunisia Andorra Vesuvius/Alps
Libya Sicily Aegean Sea
Egypt/Arabia Mesopotamia Armenia
Now take a look at the windroses here.
![[Image: Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Europe_Mediterranean_Catalan_Atlas.jpeg)
The windrose circles in northwestern Africa are similar to the morphs i mentioned the other day, except I hadnt equated them to windroses, just what i could see them standing for. The one in the centre of northwestern Africa, then the one in Algeria, and one on Tunisia, which i also just figured recently as another morph for the tubes. Lines from two of the windroses pass through Ceuta.
There isnt one at Andorra but two of the Europe circles pass by. This could just mean this is not the right map presentation. Windroses aren't standard in their positions, the lines don't mean anything in terms of a route because there is no projection involved in portolan maps.
![[Image: Tracing-of-the-portolan-chart-by-Angelin...l_Q320.jpg]](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Roel_Nicolai/publication/283519539/figure/fig1/AS:529486917058560@1503250926482/Tracing-of-the-portolan-chart-by-Angelino-Dulcert-1339-The-dimensions-of-the-original_Q320.jpg)
This just to show that they are different positions. Continuing on with the first example:
One near the alps that has a line going through Vesuvius/Naples.
One centred in the Aegean Sea.
One at Armenia.
Euphrates, check.
Red Sea, check.
Libya, yes.
Sicily, No.
Enough to keep me on that track for a bit, though.
Could be like this too, squaring the circle.
![[Image: 37285.jpg]](https://img.raremaps.com/xlarge/37285.jpg)
From wiki, plus it mentioned these were usually mnemonic personal collections kept secret....
Handbooks often contained a wealth of information beyond sailing directions. For instance, they frequently had detailed physical descriptions of shorelines, harbors, islands, channels, notes about tides, landmarks, reefs, shoals and difficult entries, instructions on how to use navigational instruments to determine position and plot routes, calendars, astronomical tables, mathematical tables and calculation rules (notably the rule of marteloio), lists of customs regulations at different ports, medical recipes, instructions on ship repair, etc.[5] As a result, the nautical chart never fully replaced the handbook, but remained supplementary to it.
Could the vms be one of these handbooks?
![[Image: Toleta_de_marteloio_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Toleta_de_marteloio_%28Bianco%2C_1436%29.jpg)

