VMS - Language Families Casting
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(31-01-2019, 03:46 PM)Gavin Güldenpfennig wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@MarcoP

I have forgotten something.

It could be that some plants are named by their scientific names.
So nenufar's scientific name is Nymphea.
Let us say, that someone would spell it Nimfea, the you have only two different letters in difference to Nirfeor.
M switches to R. You should know that in the Basque the M is not a very frequently used letter.
A switches to OR. Word endings in different languages are not very often the same. ?

But you are still overlooking, or ignoring, how the chor token is used throughout the manuscript.

Is the chor syllable that is embedded in your interpretation of Nenufar (or whatever spelling you prefer) a root word or stem in any language? This is how it is consistently used throughout the VMS manuscript. You can't just substitution-translate one token because you hope it relates to a nearby drawing and ignore how the root of that token is used everywhere else in the manuscript, you have to INCLUDE these dynamics in your analysis of the text.

This is just a repeat of what I said above, but it seems I need to phrase it a different way to get the message across. chor only occurs in the VMS according to these patterns:


                                 prefixes                                                                 stem/root                       suffixes

                     o d l s sh y                                chor                  y
                     k ok ko lk yk
okee okcho
                     t ot oto otco oted yt dt
                     4 4o 4ok 4ot 4op
                     f yf p op po yp py
                     cho chk chok cht
                     sh shk so sok
                     dal dar tar par
                     ol olf

rare                 fo yo lol oor 4ckco  fcho tol lke  oscho  saiin                          dy or ol al ar olk ain aiin oiin dam


Do you see the patterns? The prefixes on the left never follow the stem. The chor stem can only be followed by EVA-y or, in rare instances, by one of the Janus pairs (this is what I call a certain subset of glyph-combinations that includes ol or ar al ain and a small number of others that can appear in any position in a token but which still respect certain general patterns). Note also that chor chor occurs six times.

Whatever language you cast it in (Basque, Latin loan-word, etc.), it must reflect the way Voynichese puts specific glyphs in specific positions in a very regimented way. If your token is correctly translated as Nenufar (or one of the variant spellings you suggested), then the stem must be linguistically consistent with the above patterns in your language of choice. If it's not, then the translation is probably not correct.
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RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by MarcoP - 28-01-2019, 06:37 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 28-01-2019, 08:50 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by MarcoP - 29-01-2019, 09:38 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Koen G - 28-01-2019, 10:06 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 29-01-2019, 05:57 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Koen G - 29-01-2019, 07:21 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Linda - 30-01-2019, 12:20 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by MarcoP - 30-01-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 30-01-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by MarcoP - 30-01-2019, 10:54 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Koen G - 31-01-2019, 06:57 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 31-01-2019, 03:14 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by MarcoP - 31-01-2019, 09:27 AM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Davidsch - 31-01-2019, 03:05 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by Linda - 31-01-2019, 06:02 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 31-01-2019, 06:58 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 31-01-2019, 09:12 PM
RE: VMS - Language Families Casting - by -JKP- - 01-02-2019, 06:58 AM

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