VMS - Language Families Casting

[Gavin Güldenpfennig]

I think the most important thing to observe is the order in which the Voynich glyphs occur within tokens.
Some are mostly at the beginning. Some are mostly in the middle. Some are mostly at the end.
This is significantly different from natural languages. Even though every language has certain letters that occur more often at the beginnings and ends of words (for example, vowels are more common at the ends of words in some languages), the letters, in general, "move around" much more than in Voynichese.

I think we can forget about agglutinative languages. Voynichese has a very regular distribution, we don't see vords running together.

@davidjackson & @JKP:

It is understandable, that you have doubts about a natural VMS language or about an agglutinative one, but I don´t think, that both aspects you mentioned are not worth it, to discuss about.

Imagine a language, in which you agglutinate not necessarily words, but rather affixes or suffixes.

An example: .....you know the "89" - problem in the VMS....

What if:

dy .....is a case marker

qokedy .....is a suffix with a case marker, which is standing in front of a noun

qokeedy ..... is the same suffix with another case marker, which is standing in front of a noun


And now imagine, that the language does the following in a sentence:

(suffix + case marker) 1 ..... (suffix + case marker) 2 ..... (suffix + case marker) 3 ..... noun 1 ..... noun 2 ..... noun 3 ..... verb .... subject ..... object.   

Ok, you´re right, this could also be an artificial language, but I think far back in the past, languages were much more easy then today.

And in today´s German language we have for example these kind of sentences:

"Den (case marker) Frauen, Männern und Kindern (nouns) wünschen  (verb) wir (subject) viel Erfolg (object)."


@ davidjackson

Even if this only means it has been copied from draft notes. And if there are different scribes involved in the making of the book, then it certainly is a copy from either a master work or a draft. 

Personally I think, that the VMS is a copy of a master work, which is much more older than the VMS. Maybe 500 - 700 years. The correction rate is very low, with the exception of mostly readable (latin) letters. (for example at f. 2v)

It is indisputable that Voynichese glyphs were designed by somebody with knowledge of European and Latin medieval scripts. This does not mean that it was based upon such a language. So no, not that I know of.

But it is very likely, I think, that the origin of the manuscript is very near to European monastries, even if it is written in an isolated language.

No. If this is a book about discoveries in the New World then it would be based upon an extensive exploration of the territory, and such an expedition would be state sponsored. It would not have petered out and never been heard from again. 

Interesting opinion from an completely other view than mine, but it is possible. What do you think, the writer of the VMS would do, if he would risk a ban by the church for his explorations and his country has the strongest allied force of the church against itself? Would the work then also be state sponsored? I don´t think so.  

Of course one can construct scenarios where it is still possible to have American influences in the VM, but these would be a huge stretch. 

@Koen G

Yes, maybe it would. But, what if the country of the VMS writer was able to send people to the American continent before Kolumbus?

@ davidjackson

There could also be a trading advantage which could be an explanation for the ciphering of such a manuscript. Maybe it is a guide for the dealers? Money makes people and especially kings stupid