24-04-2018, 10:31 AM
(24-03-2018, 12:26 AM)DonaldFisk wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(Weeps)(23-03-2018, 08:28 PM)davidjackson wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thought experiment in progress....Polari is a socialect - basically English with some alternative words to make it difficult for outsiders to follow. Or am I missing something here?
We wish to analyse an entirely unknown language to see if our statistical models work upon it to produce meaning.
The language should be European based, but not a formalised main stream lingua franca. The language must be organic, as opposed to constructed. At the same time, we need to be able to translate this language to ensure the accuracy of our models.
For reasons of transcription, we use the European alphabet, but we are not concerned with standardised spelling.
So, what language to use? Here's one example, Polari (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
Quote:Polari (or alternatively Parlare, Parlary, Palare, Palarie, Palari; from Italian parlare, "to talk") is a form of cant slang used in Britain by some actors, circus and fairground showmen, professional wrestlers, merchant navy sailors, criminals, prostitutes, and the gay subculture. There is some debate about its origins, but it can be traced back to at least the 19th century and possibly the 16th century.
So, my question: what analysis can we run upon this "language" to gain a base reading for our statistical analysis before applying them to the Voynich language? I have lots of half formed ideas, but I would value input before expounding upon them.
Why not Georgian? It has its own alphabet which even looks a bit like Voynichese. Can anyone here understand it or a related language? I don't speak a word of it. There are plenty of web pages in Georgian we can scrape.
Why are you going for a tiny minority of European dialect (and yes it's a good thought but...) when you have not as far as I can tell ruled out ( for a 1"1 substitution in natural language) the big elephants in the room ie viz (Molesworth!) Mandarin, Mongolese, Hindi?
"The World Wonders"! - indeed.
Think about it...I have not seen a single mention or consideration of Mongolese on this site ever.
I would love to see what Emma May Smith says of this, because she could, probably and rationally, rule all this out a priori. And I would go with that, because she would be rational.
Rule these 3 out - then we can all probably move onto considering code/cipher but not before.
These 3 languages are not my pet theory, but just:- they need to be ruled out properly IMHO.

