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(11-08-2017, 07:39 AM)VViews wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Vonologia,
I'd say I mostly agree with the count you made, but I'm not really sure of my own count:
To me, the problematic part is the single character "cells". For some reason, the scribe has often made the spaces between them smaller than the spaces between the multi-character "vords", which makes counting difficult.
For example, is the initial sequence v.sa.l.y or v.saly ? I'm inclined to agree with you that there are four "cells" there but... why has the scribe made the spaces between them so small?
Single characters are not so frequent in the rest of the Voynich text, so I wonder what makes them so frequent on this folio...
For instance, according to Voynichese.com (their count differs from yours somewhat), l as a standalone occurs only 58 times in the entire manuscript, but 11 times on this page, while standalone k occurs 13 times in the Voynich, of which a full 10 are on this folio.

Those are some interesting notes which I am inclined to use to "word backwards." In other words, maybe test all the possible geometries and then perhaps the count will describe itself in a different manner. With respect to the preponderance of single characters in 57v while "not so much" in the general text, for now I am ascribing this to the creation of vords or codes as opposed to the encoding of a set of glyphs, if that makes any sense at all. In other words (no pun intended), inwards to outwards (or visa versa), using the four wheels, can we make vords? Even if it is a voyelle, can we make assignable vords? The easy computer test would be to create all the combinations possible using all four wheels and comparing that to a transcription; I am not there yet. That would be about 4 million combinations, plus or minus. And if four wheels reduces to three, lower that to 256,000 combinations, plus or minus.

An interesting observation which many have of course seen is that two of the central characters are backwards -- in other words, are they mirrored? Do we turn two of the wheels "backwards?" (Horizontal flip) Which two? Doing this in Photoshop actually changes the perspective of the alignment rather quickly, making it even more confusing. For now, not willing to double the variables.
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f57v - by Anton - 30-10-2016, 04:41 PM
RE: f57v - by Sam G - 30-10-2016, 05:59 PM
RE: f57v - by -JKP- - 30-10-2016, 11:00 PM
RE: f57v - by -JKP- - 30-10-2016, 11:16 PM
RE: f57v - by Sam G - 31-10-2016, 07:08 AM
RE: f57v - by zamolxe - 05-03-2020, 09:49 AM
RE: f57v - by Emma May Smith - 19-03-2020, 02:50 PM
RE: f57v - by ThomasCoon - 30-10-2016, 07:16 PM
RE: f57v - by MarcoP - 30-10-2016, 07:20 PM
RE: f57v - by Sam G - 30-10-2016, 07:30 PM
RE: f57v - by Emma May Smith - 30-10-2016, 07:45 PM
RE: f57v - by Anton - 30-10-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: f57v - by Emma May Smith - 30-10-2016, 08:40 PM
RE: f57v - by Anton - 31-10-2016, 12:10 AM
RE: f57v - by Davidsch - 31-10-2016, 12:24 AM
RE: f57v - by Anton - 31-10-2016, 12:35 AM
RE: f57v - by Wladimir D - 31-10-2016, 05:05 AM
RE: f57v - by Witch Mountain - 01-11-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: f57v - by Davidsch - 31-10-2016, 02:56 PM
RE: f57v - by Emma May Smith - 31-10-2016, 06:42 PM
RE: f57v - by Sam G - 01-11-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: f57v - by R. Sale - 01-11-2016, 05:49 PM
RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 29-06-2017, 12:19 AM
RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 18-07-2017, 04:02 PM
RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 09-08-2017, 04:10 AM
RE: f57v - by VViews - 11-08-2017, 07:39 AM
RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 16-08-2017, 04:17 AM
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RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 03-09-2017, 12:05 AM
RE: f57v - by -JKP- - 03-09-2017, 12:41 AM
RE: f57v - by Vonologia - 03-09-2017, 02:44 AM
RE: f57v - by Aga Tentakulus - 05-03-2020, 10:31 AM
RE: f57v - by nablator - 05-03-2020, 10:48 AM
RE: f57v - by Aga Tentakulus - 05-03-2020, 11:07 AM
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RE: f57v - by -JKP- - 12-05-2020, 08:45 AM
RE: f57v - by Scarecrow - 12-05-2020, 11:21 AM
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RE: f57v - by RenegadeHealer - 12-05-2020, 12:13 PM
RE: f57v - by DONJCH - 12-05-2020, 12:40 PM
RE: f57v - by RobGea - 06-04-2021, 04:26 PM
RE: f57v - by pjburkshire - 27-03-2024, 07:20 PM
RE: f57v - by nablator - 27-03-2024, 07:42 PM
RE: f57v - by Koen G - 27-03-2024, 08:12 PM
RE: f57v - by Mark Knowles - 27-03-2024, 08:50 PM
RE: f57v - by pjburkshire - 29-03-2024, 10:15 AM
RE: f57v - by pjburkshire - 27-03-2024, 08:21 PM
RE: f57v - by Jorge_Stolfi - 19-09-2025, 02:16 AM
RE: f57v - by davidjackson - 06-04-2021, 05:01 PM
RE: f57v - by Anton - 06-04-2021, 10:07 PM
RE: f57v - by cvetkakocj@rogers.com - 26-09-2021, 03:45 PM
RE: f57v - by tavie - 26-09-2021, 06:22 PM
RE: f57v - by R. Sale - 27-03-2024, 08:21 PM
RE: f57v - by Mark Knowles - 27-03-2024, 08:56 PM
RE: f57v - by Koen G - 27-03-2024, 10:11 PM
RE: f57v - by ReneZ - 28-03-2024, 12:53 AM
RE: f57v - by Antonio García Jiménez - 31-03-2024, 08:25 PM
RE: f57v - by pjburkshire - 27-04-2024, 02:36 PM
RE: f57v - by Bluetoes101 - 17-07-2024, 10:20 PM
RE: f57v - by JoJo_Jost - 17-11-2025, 05:03 PM
RE: f57v - by Jorge_Stolfi - 18-11-2025, 12:15 AM
RE: f57v - by JoJo_Jost - 18-11-2025, 06:44 AM
RE: f57v - by Jorge_Stolfi - 18-11-2025, 08:50 AM
RE: f57v - by Bluetoes101 - 18-11-2025, 12:39 AM
RE: f57v - by Jorge_Stolfi - 18-11-2025, 06:37 AM
RE: f57v - by Bluetoes101 - 18-11-2025, 11:34 AM
RE: f57v - by Philipp Harland - 21-11-2025, 08:29 AM
RE: f57v - by oshfdk - 21-11-2025, 09:15 AM
RE: f57v - by Jorge_Stolfi - 21-11-2025, 10:05 AM
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