31-07-2017, 08:03 AM
Coming back to the subject of this thread, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. by Walter Burkert provides some interesting references in footnote 48 p.360.
I checked Plutarch's “De genio Socratis” (actually a Greek work, which I think was translated into Latin only later than the XV Century). The referenced paragraph (22) can be read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
It describes a complex vision in which the heavens are described as a sea, the celestial equator as a current and the zodiac as a channel.
This heavenly vision is described with the following words:
The stars are identified with the souls waiting reincarnation. The movement of these stars is described as directed by reins or tethers.
This kind of belief might be related with the Egyptian ideas discussed by Koen (I can't tell at the moment). It would be interesting to find evidence of similar beliefs in other cultures and see if there are accounts that can more easily be matched with what we are discussing here. In particular, it would be nice to see if the “cannon” can be explained in a more satisfactory way and if anything can be said about the possible meaning of the corresponding orol.dain label.
I checked Plutarch's “De genio Socratis” (actually a Greek work, which I think was translated into Latin only later than the XV Century). The referenced paragraph (22) can be read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
It describes a complex vision in which the heavens are described as a sea, the celestial equator as a current and the zodiac as a channel.
This heavenly vision is described with the following words:
Quote:As the Styx [the Milky Way?] draws near the souls cry out in terror, for many slip off and are carried away by Hades; others, whose cessation of birth falls out at the proper moment, swim up from below and are rescued by the Moon, the foul and unclean excepted. These the Moon, with lightning and a terrible roar, forbids to approach, and bewailing their lot they fall away and are borne downward again to another birth, as you see.
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in the stars that are apparently extinguished, you must understand that you see the souls that sink entirely into the body; in the stars that are lighted again, as it were, and reappear from below, you must understand that you see the souls that float back from the body after death, shaking off a sort of dimness and darkness as one might shake off mud; while the stars that move about on high are the daemons of men said to "possess understanding."
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the daemons whose motion was straight and ordered had souls which good nurture and training had made submissive to the rein, and whose irrational part was not unduly hard-mouthed and restive; whereas those which were constantly deviating in all directions from a straight course in an uneven and confused motion, as though jerked about on a tether, were contending with a character refractory and unruly from lack of training
The stars are identified with the souls waiting reincarnation. The movement of these stars is described as directed by reins or tethers.
This kind of belief might be related with the Egyptian ideas discussed by Koen (I can't tell at the moment). It would be interesting to find evidence of similar beliefs in other cultures and see if there are accounts that can more easily be matched with what we are discussing here. In particular, it would be nice to see if the “cannon” can be explained in a more satisfactory way and if anything can be said about the possible meaning of the corresponding orol.dain label.


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