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26-08-2026, 07:48 AM
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(26-08-2026, 06:41 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just so there are no misunderstandings here.
‘qo’ and language
‘qo’ occurs 99.6 per cent of the time at the start of a word. It does not occur elsewhere within a word.
It cannot therefore represent a natural letter, because in almost every language letters also occur within words.
‘qo’ is not independent. There is an extremely narrow sequence of glyphs: initial ‘qo’ -> ‘k’ 59.8 per cent, ‘t’ 22.3 per cent (the gallows together 82 per cent).
This makes it even less likely that it is encoded as a letter and, of course, makes ‘qo’ as a word very, very unlikely....
Just as an aside...
Incorrect
qo = qui, qo8 = quit/quid, qe = que, qo(EVA L) = quis usw.
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Well, the text won’t contain much information then, with so many questions....
Token level (tokens containing ‘qo’):
Total: 5,299 / 38,959 = 13.6%
So, on average, every sixth word begins with a question????
‘que’ is added at the end, and ‘quit’ is also more of a word-internal element...
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The question was whether 4o makes sense.
It does. Now the question is: how far can I go?
(26-08-2026, 10:23 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So, on average, every sixth word begins with a question????
The question was whether 4o makes sense.
It does. Now the question is: how far can I go?
I’ll simply double your answer in 12 words.
Six words if you can’t tell a ‘q’ from a ‘4’.
The focus here is on cryptology, not a calligraphy competition.
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26-08-2026, 11:04 AM
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@JoJo_Jost
You say
that ‘que’ (qc) appears at the end of a sentence.
How often does (qc) appear in the text?
Your comment is therefore of interest to me; if it is correct, it would indicate to me the beginning or end of a sentence.
Thank you.
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26-08-2026, 11:11 AM
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What I found amusing about this sample text.
It’s the last sentence on page 166r, and when I turn the page, the first thing I see in the top left-hand corner is a sketch of a goat’s innards.
Coincidence? Or was it on purpose?
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'que' appears at the end of a word!
que steht am Ende des Wortes!
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(26-08-2026, 11:26 AM)Aga Tentakulus wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.hmmm
~que = et ~
In medieval manuscript it's not necessarily appended at the end of words, it's often written (incorrectly?) as a separate word, which makes it indistinguishable from qu[a]e.
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(26-08-2026, 11:14 AM)JoJo_Jost wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.'que' appears at the end of a word!
IIUC, Latin "que" is another way to say "et" ("and"), but it is not used in the same way. To say "A B, and C" you could say "A B et C" or "A B Cque", or maybe "A B C que".
"SPQR = Senatus Populusque Romanus = "The Senate and the the People of Rome"
"Tu quoque Brute" = "And you too, Brutus"
"Arma virumque cano ..." = "I sing of the warriors and the man ..."
"Homines vident audiuntque." = "The people see and hear"
Thus the "que" could occur at the end of a sentence.
All the best,--stolfi
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