Posts: 10,536Threads: 432 Member details
Posts: 10,536
Threads: 432
Thanks Received: 4,933 in 2,808 posts
Thanks Given: 4868
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
11
Country:
C. is more like a troll laying bait.
All of this is from a while ago though, before researchers everywhere hit back hard. We're half June now, I wonder if he's learned his lesson.
Posts: 6,953Threads: 158 Member details
Posts: 6,953
Threads: 158
Thanks Received: 2,004 in 1,498 posts
Thanks Given: 690
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation:
8
Country:
(16-06-2019, 09:54 AM)Helmut Winkler wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I said we should keep politics out of research, especially very controversial issues, ...
I completely agree. That's why I was rather horrified to see the paper promoted this way.
Posts: 4,493Threads: 170 Member details
Posts: 4,493
Threads: 170
Thanks Received: 3,319 in 1,868 posts
Thanks Given: 579
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation:
10
Country:
There was an ownership issue from 1870 onwards, not just for the Voynich MS of course.
I am sure that Gerard Cheshire had no idea about this when he wrote this page.
This ownership issue, which was indeed of political nature, has been sorted out in the mean time. It is described in several publications, both from the side of the Society of Jesus and from the state.
It is now part of history.
Posts: 10,536Threads: 432 Member details
Posts: 10,536
Threads: 432
Thanks Received: 4,933 in 2,808 posts
Thanks Given: 4868
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
11
Country:
Cheshire's university is hiring some staff members that were clearly missing from its roster: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Posts: 4,318Threads: 195 Member details
Posts: 4,318
Threads: 195
Thanks Received: 863 in 621 posts
Thanks Given: 908
Joined: Jun 2015
Reputation:
8
Location: Moscow
Country:
All's well that ends well  The more money is invested in science and education, the better.
Posts: 10,536Threads: 432 Member details
Posts: 10,536
Threads: 432
Thanks Received: 4,933 in 2,808 posts
Thanks Given: 4868
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
11
Country:
14-07-2019, 08:28 PM
(This post was last modified: 14-07-2019, 08:29 PM by Koen G.)
I did not want to defile the King thread with talk about Cheshire, but...
(14-07-2019, 08:13 PM)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Quote:Cheshire, the British scholar whose Voynich research was published by Romance Studies in May, waved off the new California competition after reviewing the summary in King’s paper.
“My paper passed blind peer-review with a reputable journal, as it was independently tested and passed by a panel of academics,” Cheshire said. “That is the gold standard for academics. The only reason why doubt was cast over it in the news is because there are many enthusiasts out there for whom the manuscript is their social outlet and pastime, so they didn’t want it solved and they launched a trolling campaign.”
We launched a trolling campaign
Posts: 2,606Threads: 121 Member details
Posts: 2,606
Threads: 121
Thanks Received: 1,485 in 941 posts
Thanks Given: 1198
Joined: Mar 2017
Reputation:
6
Location: OWL
Country:
(14-07-2019, 08:28 PM)Koen G wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.....
The only reason why doubt was cast over it in the news is because there are many enthusiasts out there for whom the manuscript is their social outlet and pastime, so they didn’t want it solved and they launched a trolling campaign.”
We launched a trolling campaign 
With all respect, that's ridiculous. At least here in the forums I would assume that everyone wants to see the VMS solved. That Cheshire obviously did not solve it is the crucial point, and recognizing that fact must be allowed. This has nothing to do with trolling. In my opinion, the trolling accusation is just an attempt to bring the whole thing to a non-objective level. Since one can avoid any substantive discussion well.
Posts: 10,536Threads: 432 Member details
Posts: 10,536
Threads: 432
Thanks Received: 4,933 in 2,808 posts
Thanks Given: 4868
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
11
Country:
Exactly. In many ways, Cheshire is the Trump of the Voynich world.
Posts: 6,953Threads: 158 Member details
Posts: 6,953
Threads: 158
Thanks Received: 2,004 in 1,498 posts
Thanks Given: 690
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation:
8
Country:
The "trolling" comment is not Cheshire's first attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with his research. He does it quite regularly.
Posts: 10,536Threads: 432 Member details
Posts: 10,536
Threads: 432
Thanks Received: 4,933 in 2,808 posts
Thanks Given: 4868
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation:
11
Country:
Quote:Thank you for your query following up on this. Alongside the publisher, this paper and the concerns raised have been reviewed in line with the industry standards of the Committee on Publication Ethics. We found that there are many interpretations of the Voynich manuscript and that this paper offers one of them, so we have taken the decision that no further action is needed.
With very best wishes
Lloyd Davies
Editor
Romance Studies
|