Sleeve focus thread

[nablator]

But yeah, the trigger bar. Too bad this MS appears to be digitized only in a few pages.

That's f. 82v. More trigger bars and wide sleeves on f. 83r:

   
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[davidjackson]

Brave hunting boar like that with a crossbow. Miss your shot and he's on you, and you with no weapons. Or is that a pike on the floor behind the dog?

[Koen G]

Thanks, I searched quite a while and didn't find it! 

The trigger bars on those other crossbows are correctly placed, so maybe the instance I showed was a one-off mistake.

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David: yes they had special pikes for hunting boar and bear. The notice the widened crossbar at the end of the tip, it will stop the beast right in its tracks.

[MarcoP]

In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Northern France, 1443?) the chaperon / baggy sleeves / boots combination seems popular.

[-JKP-]

Those are good ones, Marco. Especially top-left with the short tunic.

[Koen G]

The style reminds me a lot of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., with a preference for heavy materials, thick fur hems and v-necks.
They were also made in northern France over the 1420's-1440's period.

[-JKP-]

Of the ones I've seen, the short tunic, wide sleeve, narrow wrist theme seems especially prevalent in hunting scenes and pictures with tool users (axe, hammer, bow, etc.).

Seems very logical. If your sleeve gets caught in a bowstring or blade, it is not good juju.

[Koen G]

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. has many examples of both the sleeves and hat types. Made 1411 Southern Germany or east Switzerland. The style, method and materials remind me of the Alsatian "Werkstatt von 1418".

   

Unfortunately no women here, it's about the masculine art of war.

[-JKP-]

It also has the "poofy" beret (the rolled turban hat), in addition to the long sock hats.

I sampled the script in ONB 3069 manuscript a while back. The script scored fairly well (68).

[Koen G]

Yeah it checks most fashion boxes, that's why it's a shame there's no women.
What I find even more interesting is that certain particularities from this MS (like the large feathers on hats) are also found in the earlier Haguenau manuscripts. I naively envisaged a transmission from France through Alsace, but maybe Alsace got its relevant examples rather from the south. Which, for any VM-sources hypotheses, would be much more convenient for explaining Italian influences like Balneis and Tacuinum.