Koen G > 08-07-2019, 10:40 PM
Linda > 09-07-2019, 12:09 AM
bi3mw > 09-07-2019, 11:52 AM
(09-07-2019, 12:09 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... That one seems special, polkadots and all. ...Polkadots are something very special in the Middle Ages. They would refer to a non-Western culture.
Quote:In Medieval Europe, the pattern was initially seen as very unpleasant, representing disease and impurity. Meanwhile, in Non-Western cultures, dots are viewed as symbols of male virility and magic.
Koen G > 09-07-2019, 11:57 AM
(09-07-2019, 12:09 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What about the dress on the nymph in Gemini? That one seems special, polkadots and all. The guys seem to wear similar to male gemini, with one adding buttons or cuff links or string or some decoration to the sleeves, but the dress does not have the flowing sleeves and has a different design with panels, maybe fur?Good question. To be honest I haven't given these dresses much thought since the figures are so very small and only partially visible. So we have to do even more interpreting than usual. Additionally, these drawings are particularly messy; it looks like they were first drawn in the nude with exposed breasts/nipples and then have clothes added over them. In some cases with the notorious thick paint...
Linda > 09-07-2019, 12:24 PM
(09-07-2019, 11:52 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-07-2019, 12:09 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... That one seems special, polkadots and all. ...Polkadots are something very special in the Middle Ages. They would refer to a non-Western culture.
Quote:In Medieval Europe, the pattern was initially seen as very unpleasant, representing disease and impurity. Meanwhile, in Non-Western cultures, dots are viewed as symbols of male virility and magic.
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Linda > 09-07-2019, 12:32 PM
(09-07-2019, 11:57 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another manuscript with relevant fashion: BNF fr. 357. I have a feeling it should have been mentioned before but my searches didn't turn anything up. It's been given a placeholder date 1301-1400 but allow me to adjust this to the early 15th century (I'd say 1420's rather than earlier).
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(09-07-2019, 12:09 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What about the dress on the nymph in Gemini? That one seems special, polkadots and all. The guys seem to wear similar to male gemini, with one adding buttons or cuff links or string or some decoration to the sleeves, but the dress does not have the flowing sleeves and has a different design with panels, maybe fur?Good question. To be honest I haven't given these dresses much thought since the figures are so very small and only partially visible. So we have to do even more interpreting than usual. Additionally, these drawings are particularly messy; it looks like they were first drawn in the nude with exposed breasts/nipples and then have clothes added over them. In some cases with the notorious thick paint...
The ones in Gemini are clean, though still small and without much detail. For example, the woman has only one sleeve drawn at the wrist.
Some properties of her dress are a pattern, round neckline and no wide sleeves. All of these are easily found in MSS that also feature the sleeves so typical for 1400-1430.
But once again, it's a shame these drawings are so unreliable (small, altered, rushed/unfinished...). Otherwise we'd have much more to work with.
Koen G > 09-07-2019, 12:53 PM
(09-07-2019, 12:32 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I had also thought it might look like fur as well, like the royal ermine lined robe type of thing?
RobGea > 09-07-2019, 06:48 PM
Linda > 09-07-2019, 07:08 PM
(09-07-2019, 06:48 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi Koen,
There were the sumptuary laws enacted all across Europe. (perhaps what bi3mw was referring to).
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And this site , though about English fashion may be interesting and worth a browse.
Scroll to the bottom for a historical fashion tour.
Fashion:
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Also the central figure in f72v2 Virgo maybe a man wearing a Houppelande.
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No pointy shoes in the VMS either. They were unfashionble between 1390-1460 ish.
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Koen G > 09-07-2019, 11:54 PM