The Voynich Ninja

Calendar:
You’re always talking about the Virgin.
But do you even know the expiry date?

(10-07-2026, 07:10 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it worthwhile adding a criterion for good dating, moving the more relevant examples up a bit and those that are too late down?

No, I don't think so. If the zodiac is truly representative of a certain time period, that time period should end up having higher scores on average. Someone in 1425AD could have had access to, and copied from, manuscripts from the 1200s and 1300s, and manuscripts from the 1500s may have copied from manuscripts from 1425. 

So we shouldn't assume what is or is not relevant; the data should lead us agnostically to those answers.

(10-07-2026, 10:04 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Several instances of the Double Line Collar. 1420 Germany
Other illustrations in this ms. have more examples.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I wonder how people would put on those blouses (like the white one on the young man at right):

• The collars were actually wider than what is shown.
  
• The shirts were split and fastened in the back (like the green one at right) including the collar.
  
• The collars were knitted with an elastic weave.
  
• They put them on as babies and never took them off.
  
• Medieval sorcery.
  

All the best, --stolfi

Some more for the collection.
Nothing matching VM well though

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(11-07-2026, 12:52 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Some more for the collection.
Nothing matching VM well though

Thankyou! I've added each of the manuscripts. 

The last one... took a while to add. That manuscript actually has 5 virgos, 4 taurus, 3 leos, as well as many multiple for all of the others. Great find! It may be able to shine some light on the different traditions at play here, if anyone is able to read the text. 

Paris. National Library of France, Department of Manuscripts, Latin 7331
(20r, 41r, 50r, 51r, 52r)
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There is some interesting imagery in there too, like a mermaid type lady surounded by heads on 58v.
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Found a couple of nice virgo's from this manuscript:

Wolfenbüttel, Herzog August Bibliothek Wolfenbüttel, Cod. Guelf. 8.7 Aug. 4°

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Both seem to be 2 versions of the same depiction: the setting, the blue dress half kneeling, the flower and the undergarment/neck areas all seem to be almost the same. If you were to take a mix of the details of these two, it would score very highly indeed.

The terrain on both -but particularly the second- stand out to me. If you were to crop the right image, there is a single flower with a tuft of grass in the right place. The facing angle of the body is also about right. The main things missing from these examples are a blue hat and long sleeves. 

Actually, if you crop the second example to roughly the scale of the VMS, the held flower somewhat matches the star, the terrain flowers match, and the flick at the end of the dress actually somewhat lines up with the leaf of the plant behind. But that last point is almost certainly a coincidence. 

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I would agree that the star hold by the woman in Virgo picture in VM was almost certainly a flower in its original inspiration, whatever it was.

Superb... There's also 2 naked women in a tub

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(15-07-2026, 02:40 PM)DG97EEB Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Superb... There's also 2 naked women in a tub

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The two people are most certainly Adam and Eve.. depicted in a different folio as well
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(15-07-2026, 03:18 PM)Dracaena Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The two people are most certainly Adam and Eve.. depicted in a different folio as well
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That is the star sign gemini. The header at the top says "twins" (zwillinge)
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The first sentence starts with something like: 
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