The Voynich Ninja

The answer to this is simple.
They are all just assertions. Starting with the Ertkruskers, to the Celts, to bananas. The very idea that families travelled through northern Italy to make sense of the German and Latin texts in the VM is nonsense. If you follow the individual, all his claims are false. Designed to fit his theories. To summarise, all bullshit.
It doesn't matter what he writes now, he's ruined it for himself.
It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, it's primarily wrong.
I have grown bananas in my garden and spoken to experts (in Turkish). Including even a professor (neighbour of mine). All his claims about bananas alone are more than just bullshit. And so are his translations of what is connected with this plant.

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Knowledge with Aga
The Turks' favourite game was invented in Switzerland.
You can see it on the coat of arms, and the cow is a witness.
This is how his proof technique work.

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Proof was on order and has just arrived.

This is what banana plants look like in real life. According to tradition with beer. So you can see that it's from me.

Nice toenails Peter, but let's stay on topic.

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@ Koen
You are right. Just one more.

Turtles or 500 years ago at Runkelstein Castle. The evidence is overwhelming.

(05-05-2025, 06:08 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Nice toenails Peter, but let's stay on topic.

I hereby vote that we, as a community, adopt "Nice toenails, [NAME], but let's stay on topic" as a catchphrase to be used as a gentle form of correction when someone is derailing a thread. For instance, if I were to post in this thread:

"We all know that Koen is only going on about the Turkish claim as a way to avoid engaging with the truth about the Voynich Mss., i.e. the Blackadder Solution,"

the correct response would be:

"Nice toenails, Karl, but let's stay on topic."

Speaking of on-topic...having at least skimmed one of Ahmet's response documents (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), his arguments are a mixed bag. 

On the one hand, on p.23 he says, "Therefore, if Mr. Koen wishes to make a genuine phonetic-statistical comparison, he should begin by scientifically explaining how he intends to compare more than 300 distinct phonetic values of VM with alphabets containing 24 to 33 characters." It is certainly true that there are a lot of "weirdo" glyphs in the text. Having said that, they are such a tiny fraction of the text (~0.5% IIRC depending on choice of transcription alphabet) that even if the "weirdo" glyphs are (per Ahmet's theory) composite glyphs representing syllables there is a limit to how much they can skew the frequency rank ordering of the underlying letters. So point Koen there.

On the other hand, on p. 12 he says (regarding "word"-based points Koen makes), "If, throughout the entire written history of the Turkish language, some word suffixes can be written separately from the root words, then wouldn’t the person critiquing need to refute the clear evidence presented by the claimant in this context? What is the proof that the syllables, appearing as word-like units, are indeed individual words? How can Mr. Koen prove that every separately written unit, appearing as an independent word in Voynichese texts, is an independent word?" My understanding is that Ahmet's claim is that

a) while all words are separated by spaces, not all spaces are word separators, and

b) (IIRC) the way combinatorial explosion is avoided (or at least mitigated) in breaking the text apart into words is Turkish's use of vowel harmony (if two adjacent vords have incompatible vowels then the space between them must be a word separator) along with context and familiarity with the language

In fairness I have to say point Ahmet on that one, with a caveat -- when he says on p. 13, "When Mr. Koen refers to the selection of 'wrong' words, according to whom are these selections wrong?" he's missing the point (regardless of how the text is parsed into words) that in a text of sufficient length the most common words will/ought to be common function words from the language.

I read his publication but for me it is not scientific and not logical. There are to many asumption and possibilities. At one point he even assigns nine! solutions to one single word.
 "could be this, could be that, if you omit the first letter it could also mean...."

I’m late to this conversation, but, do any of the plants in the VM make a good burn salve? Because it’s pretty clear Mr Ardiç is still hurting from that sick burn Koen dished out to him a couple years back. Those rants on Ahmet’s page are the richest drama I’ve read in this hobbyist scene since Marco P served that Geoffrey guy a big tall steaming mug of pwnage in a member-measuring contest back in 2019.

I believe that would be the baby pomegranates.. Or maybe they were they only good for little poop butts? I forget.

Is The Koen part of the Marvel Universe?