13-05-2025, 10:05 PM
(04-05-2025, 07:46 PM)joben Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@tavie...If I understand correctly, Mr. Ardic states that the Göbekli Tepe claim was supposed to be fictional (it's just a prank bro!). Why on earth would you publish something like that on a website that attempts to mimic an academic site? It literally has "research" in the domain name. The article section is called "publications/articles" and is formatted as if they were real academic papers with an "author" and a "publisher" column. Now I am not an academic, but to me it is pretty obvious that the visitors are supposed to take the content seriously. If you wanted to post more easy going content, a blog would be more suitable imo. I don't buy the explanation.
Yes - it's really weird to write such a sixty-five page fictional document on the website that you're trying to promote as serious and academic. One might even say "unscientific".
And it's weirder not to put a disclaimer at the very start of the so-called article. A lot of people might only read the title of the article in the index list, rather than the description. The disclaimer isn't even at the start of the description. You have to wade through quite a bit of 600 word rambling description, and even then Ahmet doesn't explicitly use the word "fiction". He uses that only in his denunciation epic.
The fictional article seems also to reflect the views Ahmet had on the invention of writing in some of his other essays published around the same time as this fictional article back in 2020-2021, and the views he expressed on the forum only a few months before Koen got in touch with him about the video. In his other articles, Ahmet appears to claim that writing was invented by the Turanian/pre-Turkic nomads between 12,000 to 40,000 years ago; that ancient Turkic signs from 12,000 years ago or earlier are actually meaningful sentences; and that these signs are in Göbekli Tepe, despite scientists refusing to recognize it as writing. And on the forum he said nomads invented writing, and that we needed to recognize ancient Turkic signs and runes on rocks as writing, not proto-writing.
But I guess he must have been persuaded to change his mind by the thread, since in his big Koen denunciation doc, he says "[Koen] tried to make me appear as someone who is mentally ill by reflecting general information that I and everyone else knows, such as the time when writing was invented, on the screen" and "At no point and nowhere did I claim the existence of 'writing 9500 years ago'".
Perhaps he will clarify this, as well as what the Wayback Machine shows in a revised edition of his denunciation. The best I can currently imagine is that this was co-written by his team who got it wrong, and that Ahmet did not proofread through the whole thing. Even from a short skim, the doc certainly seems disjointed, to say the least.