Who can read what is the secret writing in the letter "P" of Q2f14v ?
(copy by courtesy of Jason Davies -"Voyage the Voynich" web page)
I have some readings, but would Like to check if I am right. In other words I am in search of confirmation before I am being rejected (as usually happens).
BR: Vessy
(23-02-2025, 08:50 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Who can read what is the secret writing in the letter "P" of Q2f14v ?
Do you think the dots in the middle of P have any meaning? The image is quite blurry to my eyes.
(23-02-2025, 08:50 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....I am in search of confirmation before I am being rejected (as usually happens).
It often happens to everyone that the first draft is sent back to be corrected and perfected. This is the role of a draft.
The images we use already appear bigger than the manuscript is in real life. Then we proceed to zoom in on those images, making it even bigger. What you are doing is like looking at the ink under a microscope.
Now consider that ink is applied with a big ol feather they took from a bird. Onto the slightly uneven skin of a calf. These dots are the smallest markings they were able to make. Simply a touch of the quill tip. This tip is cut to a specific shape, it doesn't usually make perfectly round dots. So this is what you get when someone uses one part of an animal to apply ink to a part of another animal.
There is no microscopic writing in the VM - just the expected unevenness.
(23-02-2025, 08:50 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Who can read what is the secret writing in the letter "P" of Q2f14v ?
(copy by courtesy of Jason Davies -"Voyage the Voynich" web page)
I have some readings, but would Like to check if I am right. In other words I am in search of confirmation before I am being rejected (as usually happens).
BR: Vessy
Do you mean the dots?
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I don't believe that these are letters or symbols. As said already, we are looking at extremely small dots magnified.
Here are some dots from the flowers on the next page You are not allowed to view links.
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That being said, the eighth dot does resemble a 6 i suppose. But if you look at magnified dots enough you can make anything out of them.
They are the same size as the thickness of the lines that make up the writing.
Therefore they are dots.
Extremely tiny writing can be found in old manuscripts. These are usually comments (glosses) made by later owners. These are still much larger than the thickness of the writing.
The nearest equivalent of that in the Voynich MS (off the top of my hat) is on f75r, which has smaller writing inside the loop near the top. It is clearly legible, as is usually the case with tiny writing.
(23-02-2025, 11:20 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Now consider that ink is applied with a big ol feather they took from a bird. Onto the slightly uneven skin of a calf. These dots are the smallest markings they were able to make. Simply a touch of the quill tip. This tip is cut to a specific shape, it doesn't usually make perfectly round dots. So this is what you get when someone uses one part of an animal to apply ink to a part of another animal.
There is no microscopic writing in the VM - just the expected unevenness.
When I started to deal with VM I was thinking that I had to deal with an experienced herbalist, as I began to read some extracts of the plants.
Later on, I understood that this work is not only an innocent's healer work, it is the work of the most sophisticated alchemist society...
Do you know that Jakub Horcicky z Tepence, owner and user of this manuscript, was contemporary (and very probably friend through the court of Rudolf the II) with Rabbi Judah Loew ben Bezalel, the creator of the first human robot in the history of mankind- "GOLEM".
These people, called alchemists were centuries ahead of their time. We should not underestimate their capabilities and surely they could write thinner than the width of a feather-point.
And surely they did use magnifying glass- Tycho Brahe and Kepler- being also in Rudolf's society...
The whole sense of my answer here is that we should not look with simplified glance at the possibilities of the man or people who created this manuscript.
br: Vessy
(24-02-2025, 12:40 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.They are the same size as the thickness of the lines that make up the writing.
Therefore they are dots.
Extremely tiny writing can be found in old manuscripts. These are usually comments (glosses) made by later owners. These are still much larger than the thickness of the writing.
The nearest equivalent of that in the Voynich MS (off the top of my hat) is on f75r, which has smaller writing inside the loop near the top. It is clearly legible, as is usually the case with tiny writing.
Sorry I cannot find this writing on f75r.
(23-02-2025, 01:01 PM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (23-02-2025, 08:50 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Who can read what is the secret writing in the letter "P" of Q2f14v ?
(copy by courtesy of Jason Davies -"Voyage the Voynich" web page)
I have some readings, but would Like to check if I am right. In other words I am in search of confirmation before I am being rejected (as usually happens).
BR: Vessy
Do you mean the dots?
" . . . . . . . . . . . . "
I don't believe that these are letters or symbols. As said already, we are looking at extremely small dots magnified.
Here are some dots from the flowers on the next page You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. alongside these ones (same scale). They look the same / have the same variance of ink blobbyness.
That being said, the eighth dot does resemble a 6 i suppose. But if you look at magnified dots enough you can make anything out of them.
Yes there is writing here too.
I could distinguish something like "poust" which might mean a "desert" or "wild" from Czech. But this is on first glance without deeper look under corrections with colour. If I deal with it more I will post what my findings are.
br: Vessy
As usual, you are just ignoring everything we say. These are the smallest possible dots their pen could make. They had no ability to manipulate their form. What you are seeing is randomly uneven dots caused by pre-modern writing materials.
Quote:Rabbi Judah Loew ben Bezalel, the creator of the first human robot in the history of mankind- "GOLEM".
Just out of curiosity, do you actually believe that he created a golem that walked and did different tasks?