3 stages of medicine in the Middle Ages.
1. classical medicine. Various concoctions, bloodletting, leeches, etc.
A recipe always has roughly the same characteristics.
For (diagnosis) so take blabla and 1 lot of xxx, 3 lots of yyy, mix and cook that, it will help.
2. if classical medicine does not help, then folk medicine and sayings come in.
Hocus pocus astala Vista and you're gone.
3. and if that doesn't help, God help you. Then it is God's will.....Amen.
Page f116 goes into category 2.
If you think it's a recipe, it's up to you to provide comparative material, examples that show that it was written that way.
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Bess, what was your goal in posting on this forum (or elsewhere)? Did you want to be applauded, did you want to receive praise or get help from people who, like you, want to understand the manuscript?
And if you send your paper to a scientific journal, will you cry when you receive the answer? Are you going to call the editors “cave people”?
You must learn, first of all, to distinguish a draft from the final version of your work.
The good news: no theory is completely accepted to date, so yours may be the first.
(24-05-2024, 06:20 PM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.8. I have some translation from another pages too, but I am not sure if posting them here will contribute to anything, considering your thoughts above.
If you were to share a system that didn't have the flaws I listed above, you would receive a lot of interest and encouragement. We've had lots of solutions posted, and while the systems are for different languages and different plaintext mappings, in essence they have been the same because they all have the same flaws. I'd recommend you look at the other solutions posted on the forum, and see if the criticism about them also would apply to yours.
Even if you were to share a system that only had one of the flaws - and you recognized the flaw but thought it was still worth working on - you'd probably still get interest and support because we've not had any solution like that either.
(25-05-2024, 04:10 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.5. Is the user of the Manuscript (defined by me as the one, who wrote the marginalia - all explanatory notes) Jacobus de Tepence? I think so, but the final word have handwriting comparison experts.
In the early 2000's I had a chance to visit the magnificent Strahov library. I spent some time in the reading room (which, unfortunately, looked nothing like You are not allowed to view links.
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I got to talk to the MS curator, and showed him some pages of the Voynich MS. He had not seen it before, but found it quite interesting. While looking at the writing on the last page (f116v) I mentioned that there was a hypothesis that the MS was created by Jacobus de Tepenec. He immediately said that that was impossible, and this writing was from at least 100 years before his time.
He made no statement about the actual Voynich MS writing.
I specifically remember this, as it was the first time I had a chance to talk to someone who had real knowledge about this material. Until that time, it was all talk among amateurs at the Voynich mailing list.
One could even argue that, in the context of the Voynich MS, the 'cave people' are those who are unaware of the reasons why you cannot simply convert Voynich MS text to Latin (or German, Italian, or any related dialect).
Or rather: those who refute to understand this.
But I think it is wrong to label people. It is more useful to present the information, and hope people understand and use it.
Of course it is a bit more complicated. Many arguments come down to how convincing they are, and the split between 'convincing' vs. 'not convincing' does not coincide with 'true' vs. 'false'.
(25-05-2024, 09:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bess, what was your goal in posting on this forum (or elsewhere)? Did you want to be applauded, did you want to receive praise or get help from people who, like you, want to understand the manuscript?
And if you send your paper to a scientific journal, will you cry when you receive the answer? Are you going to call the editors “cave people”?
You must learn, first of all, to distinguish a draft from the final version of your work.
The good news: no theory is completely accepted to date, so yours may be the first.
Dear Ruby,
I wanted to help with some of mine findings. I have read some of the comments in this blog concerning You are not allowed to view links.
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The truth is, that the more you understand from the manuscript, the more questions arise. As I stated before I have translations of the real foils of the manuscript, but even there I feel more confused and I really need help to be able to finish them. If you ask me why I will tell you. Either by purpose, or unwillinglythe writer of the manuscript has used:
1. Seemingly one symbol for different sounds, or Latin letters.
2. Two symbols for one Latin letter.
(25-05-2024, 09:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bess, what was your goal in posting on this forum (or elsewhere)? Did you want to be applauded, did you want to receive praise or get help from people who, like you, want to understand the manuscript?
And if you send your paper to a scientific journal, will you cry when you receive the answer? Are you going to call the editors “cave people”?
You must learn, first of all, to distinguish a draft from the final version of your work.
The good news: no theory is completely accepted to date, so yours may be the first.
Dear Ruby,
I wanted to help with some of mine findings. I have read some of the comments in this blog concerning You are not allowed to view links.
Register or
Login to view. and decided to add my contribution.
The truth is, that the more you understand from the manuscript, the more questions arise. As I stated before I have translations of the real foils of the manuscript, but even there I feel more confused and I really need help to be able to finish them. If you ask me why I will tell you. Either by purpose, or by copying unknown text, the writer of the manuscript has used:
1. Seemingly one symbol for different sounds, or different Latin letters.
2. Two symbols for one Latin letter.
Therefore now statistics will never be true. The statistical study should consider combinations of possibilities.
"Cave" should not be considered offensive- rather like a community of researchers who have built a certain system of understandings, and any new eye who sees it differently is an enemy.
(25-05-2024, 09:13 AM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Bess, what was your goal in posting on this forum (or elsewhere)? Did you want to be applauded, did you want to receive praise or get help from people who, like you, want to understand the manuscript?
And if you send your paper to a scientific journal, will you cry when you receive the answer? Are you going to call the editors “cave people”?
You must learn, first of all, to distinguish a draft from the final version of your work.
The good news: no theory is completely accepted to date, so yours may be the first.
Dear Ruby,
I wanted to help with some of mine findings. I had read some of the comments in this blog concerning You are not allowed to view links.
Register or
Login to view. and decided to add my contribution.
The truth is, that the more you understand from the manuscript, the more questions arise. As I stated before I have translations of the real foils of the manuscript, but there I feel more confused and I really need help to be able to finish them. If you ask me why I will tell you. Either by purpose, or by copying unknown text, the writer of the manuscript has used:
1. Seemingly one symbol for different sounds, or different Latin letters. Example "aron" For "r" and "n" one symbol.
2. Two symbols for one Latin letter.
Therefore now statistics will never be true. The statistical study should consider combinations of possibilities.
"Cave" should not be considered offensive- rather like a community of researchers who have built a certain system of understandings, and any new eye who sees it differently is an enemy.
Well I didn't expect applauses, but expected answers- correction of the wrong places- for example "abre" is not this plant but it is ....(whatever). For example I expected answers like ReneZ provides.
BR
(26-05-2024, 04:12 AM)BessAgritianin Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I expected answers like ReneZ provides.
That’s perfect then and all the best !
You can't dictate our answers. There are researchers like me who have been working on the VM for a very long time with great passion and efforts (and gradually more and more knowledge) who have consulted experts at universities and who can - in the meantime - read old writing systems correctly such as the Bastarda of f 116v. g does not represent y for example. The glyph that looks like capital B is in fact gothic tz (pronounced ts).