Quote:In the 14th and 15th centuries, a large number of translations of Middle High German ( Bible ), some of them of high quality, were produced outside the monasteries as well, and Martin Luther and others were able to draw on them.
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Here is a translation of Isaiah 34:4 from the Luther Bible of 1545:
Quote:Vnd wird alles Heere des Himels verfaulen / vnd der Himel wird eingewickelt werden / wie ein Brieff / vnd alle sein Heer wird verwelcken / wie ein Blat verwelcket am Weinstock / vnd wie ein dürr blat am Feigenbaum
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It looks like they are replacing the scroll with more familiar metaphors. Close a book, fold a letter.
In Modern German, a scroll would be, according to Wikipedia: Die Schriftrolle (auch Buchrolle oder Volumen genannt). I was curious to see which actual medieval terms for a scroll exist. I'm finding two forms and their variations: rodel, rotel, rödel; rolle, rulle...
So if a German version of either quote is used, it must be one that uses a rodel or rolle form. Of course it is possible that another word exists which I overlooked, but this seems to cover the most common ones.
... / vnd der Himel wird eingewickelt werden / wie ein Brieff / vnd alle sein Heer wird verwelcken /...
This is an approximate translation of the text into English:
... / and heaven shall be wrapped up / like a letter / and all the armies thereof shall wither away / ...
It's interesting that the number of stars around this inscription is close to the sequence number of this verse in the Revelation. I counted 121 stars and the number of the verse is 110 (this in the Russian synodal translation, but verse numbering may differ between transation into different languages made in different times).
In my mind, I conceived the block paradigm mainly in terms of finding consecutive paragraph blocks with the same structure, and kind of wriggling down to sentences and then words from there. So a single phrase is a little bit lightweight for me. But... who is to say?
Yeah, a bigger text would usually be better. Though I wonder if the VM really plays that way, with its apparent lack of the kind of recurring phrases we'd expect in the likes of herbals and recipe books.
And the challenges might be just the same. First, the catch twenty two: we will not be able to reliably feed Voynichese into a computer before we understand it better, but to understand it better we would really like to be able to use brute computing power. And two, Voynichese does not map one to one to any known language, so finding a solution will require a different approach regardless of text size.
Here's something else which may or may not be relevant. In order to make the spiral, they didn't really write the text on a curve. Instead, they fractured the base line: the words are written straight, but the angle of the base line always shifts. This has the interesting effect of creating separate words or word groups, clearly marked by angle breaks.
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Taking each "line" as a word, the result would be as follows:
o/ochsoetchy osararam askeeody ochdoral oekairy ytodaro opalshy orarodar ykodar ykodar ykary opalxy
At the beginning the curve is not strong yet, so it may be that "o/ochs oetchy" would have been on separate base lines had they been closer to the centre.
What now especially stands out to me is the sequence that follows:
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Could something like this really be a word? It looks almost binary, like a number. a'b'ababab''..
(15-08-2021, 01:38 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Could something like this really be a word? It looks almost binary, like a number. a'b'ababab''..
More important, it is morphologically outstanding out of the surrounding vords. Same thing for
aralarar in the "four guys" circular chart. That's why I suspected it to be a four-digit number.
The mountain "Ararat" would be such a "strange" word that I would spontaneously think of. With an encryption this could of course mean anything and would not be so "binary" in plain text.
I agree with your final sentence, except that I would see two words on the first line.
Purely from an optical point of view, and put it into application.
If a high EVAy is attached after EVAr, we have a difference.
not "ar" but "arum
Ergo: "a etarum arum asus"
Whatever it may mean.