The Voynich Ninja

(05-01-2020, 01:55 AM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

I have seen upside down T/O maps. Do you know where there is a translation of the Oresme T/O page?

See the following link to a list map:
This is the kind of thing that I think we see at the bottom of the f68v3 T/O map. It is not rare to find this kind of list format. With places such India, Arabia, Mesopotamia etc. listed. However working out which were the most important locations that the author chose to list and in what order he/she chose to list them in is hard. I guess one could look at a large number of T/O list maps like this and compile a list of the most commonly included locations in Asia. It may be that locations tend to be listed in order of geographical position e.g. Top to Bottom i.e East to West. It may be that locations are ordered in importance. So it may be possible to produce a vague location list for comparison with the Voynich, but it may be too difficult.

(05-01-2020, 08:49 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Without on the previous discusion.
Does anyone have any idea what it means here?
The cross appears to be Ortodox.

Where does the image originate?

(05-01-2020, 11:47 AM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

Agreed it is a possibility that it is a list of places. One of the words seems to match the rosettes TO, if you exclude the scribbled character before it. 

It could be a statement of information about eastern Asia, as more was known and added to contemporary maps like that of Fra Mauro via information provided on Nicolo Conti's return in 1439, but neither the rosettes nor quire 13 appear to include this info in my interpretations, being older forms of the ecumene, or inhabited earth, which only go so far as western India. This might have been the place to scootch in a bit of that information, if it is about Asia. I can't think of another reason to do a writeup or list of places regarding Asia but not do the same for Africa and Europe. 

If it matches the Oresme scheme, then it could be a writeup about the waters of Earth. This is also possible since this was a changing view from the previous concepts of mountain surrounded by ocean, and the Aristolean spheres, and might be an explanation of perfect spheres of earth and water with different centers of gravity, leading to the ecume floating to the top, as there was contempory discussion at the time which continued for centuries. Below is a later (early 16th century) Sacrobosco diagram including schemes for reconciling the elements of earth and water while maintaining the perfect spheres idea. I think You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 3 could denote the same type of diagram in a snapshot of time, but which seems to have espoused the earthly rotation idea posited by Oresme, hence the change to attached swirls instead of outer spheres.



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(05-01-2020, 07:46 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....

Note the spacing of the text, it is not the same as the spacing in sentence text, so the position of the words may be significant.

I have not seen a T/O map with a description in the "Asia" semi-circle whereas a list is quite common.

Here is an inverted T/O map.

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Why do we have a list of places in the "Asia" section of the T/O map, but not in the "Europe" or "Africa" sections?

This might be due to the fact that on the rosettes T/O map there is no need to truncate or abbreviate the "Asia" word, but I think it looks like the full spellings of "Europe" and "Africa" were not included on this T/O map. So to compensate for this the f68v3 included the full spellings of "Europe" and "Africa", but as this was not necessary for "Asia" it lists places in Asia.

(05-01-2020, 10:28 PM)Mark Knowles Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I stumbled upon the following with a T/O map in the centre, not quite sure how relevant it is:

I've seen this form of chart (lunar chart in the wheel and T-O in the center) in several early-medieval manuscripts. I notice the script style in the example you posted is from around the same time. I'm pretty sure I've screensnapped at least one from MS Julius A VI.