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What I find very interesting is that some of the more outlandish plants are, in fact, "outlandish", often from India or Ethiopia. One might wonder to what extent those terms are general indications of a wider area than the countries we know today. 

I'm at a loss as to how we can find these plant names if they are not attested in better researched manuscripts and with lots of spelling variation Confused

The ones I saw now are on the remarkable You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. folios. There's a plant with, well first I thought owls but it looks more like some kind of angels upon zooming in. 
Name: Simonios?
Greek: ardebes? (How do I read the superscript s-thing?)
Hebrew: narbithen (hard to read)
It grows in "India maior" close to.... (can't read the next word)
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The one to its right is even weirder, with two faces, at least one which appears to be of an animal. It grows in India minor (?)
I'm not sure if the first letter is a capital H, if so then the name is "Henthanon". Greek barnolis??? All those words sound so implausible.
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(28-04-2017, 11:23 AM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What interests me is the incipit and explicit of the prayer in the Trinity Gale Manuscript O.2.48.

The description says:
"The text begins with a prayer, to recite when preparing plant-based medicines, "

Which I am unable and incapable of reading.


Attempt:
page 001r
Precamceo..? ..om...herbarum ad singulas...

page 001v bottom
red:
Finit plog... fuit corett_a h'rbe beronice.
... ... tidem_:

This is an interesting subject. Many Pseudo-Apuleius manuscripts contain two pagan incantations, one to the Earth and the other to All Plants. This seems to be a version of the second precatio / incantation. Apparently, the same version appears in Harley 1431 (Precantatio omnium herbarum ad singulas curas).

You can read the two incantations in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but the text of the plant incantation (13v) seems different from that of the Canterbury ms.
Comparison of Hippocrates portraits from three manuscripts. I wonder if the three fleurs-de-lis on the shield in the Canterbury ms could be in any way significant.
(28-04-2017, 05:51 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco: interesting comparison. The arrangement of the figures in the Trinity MS reminds me of this, though here the central figure is Galen:
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I agree. It's always amazing to see a clear continuous tradition spanning almost a millennium. In my opinion, what we can see here is that the Canterbury ms has been somehow modernized. As in the other scenes, the comparisons make clear that there is a relation, but the differences are also apparent. Some of the differences between the Canterbury ms and the other three:
  • the shorter dresses and longer hair of the disciples
  • the presence of head-gears
  • the fact that none of the physicians adheres to the type of the "bearded wise man"
  • the above mentioned fleurs-de-lis 

Of course, the Canterbury ms also stands out for its poorer artistic quality.
Yes, I agree, this was my first sight impression of the manuscript as well. You can see the Greek behind it but it has been medievalized quite a bit, especially in the fashion department Smile

I'll just keep adding some plants I find interesting, hope it's not too much. This one has a cross section of a massive blue flower on top, which might be of interest. f.128r

Name: Cronop (so should this be cronos or cronopus or..?)
Greek: Barathi
Hebrew: not sure how to read that
Grows in Arabia and Cappadocia

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(26-04-2017, 10:39 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Trinity MS 0.2.48 is the same tradition as Plut 73 Cod 16 (which is thought to be from northern Italy or Lombardy). The correspondence between the two is very close.

It's thought that the Trinity manuscript might be from Germany, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Trinity MS were from Lombardy (where germanic and Italian cultures intermixed).

Indeed, you are fully right, and as Marco also mentioned You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , the Cambridge MS appears to be closely related to both Florence Plut. 73.16 and Vienna Cod. 93 Han.
In literature these two are occasionally called 'sister manuscripts'.
Collins writes that the human figures (of doctors etc) are only found in later manuscripts of the Pseudo-Apuleius tradition.

It is really surprising to see how little attention the Cambridge MS receives in literature.
I should mention that Valencia, Spain, has also been proposed as a possible creation-location for Plut.73 Cod.16 but how certain they are, I don't know (I haven't been able to follow it up). Even if it were, the content and order of the plants is clearly associated with known traditions mentioned above.
Does Plut.73 Cod.16 also contain all the extra plants?
No, it does not. These are the larger mystery to me.

Both Plut. 73.16 and the earlier Plut. 73.41 are available digitally online.

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enter the term 'Herbarium'.
Sometimes I suspect the plant names in this manuscript have been generated by auto-copying or a gematric cipher  Dodgy
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