EllieV > 04-02-2016, 09:16 PM
(09-01-2016, 10:00 AM)david Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.An undeveloped idea, and I only summarise the two arguments here below.The swallowtail merlons point to N. Italy only if one believes that the VMs is created in the first half of the 15th century.
Nick Pelling has suggested that the castle merlons on the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are in the Northern Italian medieval "swallow-tail" style - ie, instead of being in the traditional |-| shape, they're in a V shape.
This has helped to shift the production area for the manuscript away from northern Europe to northern Italy instead.
However, the zodiac influence has once again shifted attention back to northern Europe, in particular the French / German border, based on identification of artistic influences from regional calendar and printing in the Voynich (a brief overview You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
So - leaving aside the question of the humanistic cursive script, which in any case appears to have been used all over Europe - how do we reconcile the contradictions?
Well, it strikes me the swallow-tail identification isn't really 100%. For a start, every merlon on that page is swallow-tail - see this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., or this You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
Surely the simplest explanation here is that, due to the small size of the script, the scribe simply drew the merlons in this fashion without paying any attention to real architecture. After all, why should he have paid any attention to this real life detail, unless it was something important? Far more likely the author wanted to display the merlons to show he was drawing a castle, and simply drew it in this style without even being aware of the difference.
Which means - we can shift the provenance back to northern Europe again.
don of tallahassee > 05-02-2016, 12:01 AM
EllieV > 05-02-2016, 01:08 AM
(05-02-2016, 12:01 AM)don of tallahassee Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.May I suggest the three castles in Bellinzona, Switzerland might have had a resemblance to the buildings in the VMS in the early 15th Century (they still do now) and still have swallowtail merlons - always have, I think?
Thank you.
Don of Tallahassee
don of tallahassee > 05-02-2016, 01:28 AM
ReneZ > 05-02-2016, 08:17 AM
EllieV > 05-02-2016, 09:54 PM
(05-02-2016, 08:17 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There are still large numbes of castles, including some that do look quite similar to the VMs illustration.Hi Rene,
The case of Runkelstein is interesting, as it has a fresco of a castle (not sure if it is supposed to represent itself):
Another one on this page:
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At my site I have a medieval drawing of a castle and the same castle as it looks now, and the two are not similar, so this type of search may not help us much.
MarcoP > 05-02-2016, 10:31 PM
EllieV > 05-02-2016, 11:57 PM
(05-02-2016, 10:31 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Runkelstein is an interesting parallel! See also this blog post (with more images of frescoes):
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It should be noted that (as the name suggests) Runkelstein is in a German speaking region. Sudtirol makes part of Italy since World War I.
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