-JKP- > 12-01-2016, 04:25 AM
crezac > 02-02-2016, 10:33 PM
(12-01-2016, 04:25 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... the VM author must have had some particular motivation for including it, since maps were not typically included in books primarily concerned with herbs and other medical information and those with astrological charts usually only included maps of the solar system and sometimes mappa mundi.
-JKP- > 03-02-2016, 02:41 AM
VViews > 03-02-2016, 11:08 PM
(03-02-2016, 02:41 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Onion domes stretched all the way across Europe into Spain at that time, so although the onion domes have to be considered, there were enough of them around that it would not be unusual for them to be included in a map of central European origins (I'm not saying it originated there, but that onion domes were not unprecedented in that area at the time).
-JKP- > 04-02-2016, 07:50 AM
(03-02-2016, 11:08 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-02-2016, 02:41 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Onion domes stretched all the way across Europe into Spain at that time, so although the onion domes have to be considered, there were enough of them around that it would not be unusual for them to be included in a map of central European origins (I'm not saying it originated there, but that onion domes were not unprecedented in that area at the time).
Really? It was my understanding that although onion domes appeared in Russia by the 13th century, it was only later that they were found elsewhere in Europe, eg. in Austria in 1576.
Maybe I haven't been thorough enough in my searches, or maybe we don't have the same definition of "at that time"...
I'd be very interested to see some central/south european 15th century or earlier onion domes: do you have any examples?
ReneZ > 04-02-2016, 08:51 AM
VViews > 04-02-2016, 11:01 AM
MarcoP > 04-02-2016, 11:38 AM
(04-02-2016, 08:51 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As regards the swallow-tail crenellations on the little castle in the upper right corner of f86r, of course these cannot be taken as proof of anything, but they are an indication among many, all of which need to be taken into account.
Like others here, I have been looking at many thousands of MS images, and there is a very strong tendency in how buildings are drawn, especially castles or city walls. This type is predominantly found in MSs of N.Italy, though some Jewish MSs have potentially similar decorations (but a very different meaning and style).
An example may illustrate this. In the herbal tradition of 'Tractatus de Herbis', the illustration of 'balsamus' usually includes a garden with a wall around it. Early MSs were written and drawn in S. Italy, and look like this:
BL Egerton 747: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Paris BN Lat. 6823: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The origin of Morgan MS 873 is not certain, but given as 1350-1375, Italy, possibly Venice, and it looks like this:
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A later copy (15th C) made in N. Italy (Lombardia) looks like this:
BL Sloane 4016: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The illustration was adapted to a local 'taste'.
Of course, there are examples of travellers seeing and drawing N.Italian castles.
ReneZ > 04-02-2016, 01:27 PM
MarcoP > 04-02-2016, 01:41 PM