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• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  Searcher > 22-10-2016, 11:52 PM

  A couple more examples (Sumerian):
   
  
  [font=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica,]Info: The below drawing (1928) from a cylinder seal of King Gudea of Lagash, ca. 2100 B.C. shows Ningishzida (cf. p. 57 for the below illustration in Sir Charles Leonard Woolley. Vor 5000 Jahren. Ausgrabungen von Ur. Stuttgart, Deutschland. Franckh'sche Verlagshandlung. 1928. [A German translation of his English edition of 1928 titled The Sumerians. The drawing appearing on p. 89, figure 21A. Oxford, England. The Clarendon Press. 1929 reprint]).[/font]
  
  

• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  Koen G > 23-10-2016, 02:40 AM

  Okay, Sumerian water is officially crazier than Egyptian water. I wonder till which century this pattern was used. It's interesting to see that they use the second pattern present in the Voynich, parallel straight lines...

• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  VViews > 22-06-2017, 08:59 PM

  I've found an interesting parallel for this U shaped water flow in a pool.
  
  
  It is from the Boston Museum of Fine Arts You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of Al-Jazari's Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices (Accession N° 22.1), a fascinating Egyptian manuscript from 1354 which is all about fountains, clocks and other hydraulic machines.
  Unfortunately their website doesn't give the folio number.
  There are other versions of the MS in Leiden and one at the Bodleian, but I can't find them online.
  ETA: The original book is much older than that (1206), 1354 is just that copy.
  For those interested in finding out more about this book there is a really great translation with (b&w) images and commentary You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  Linda > 07-03-2019, 07:47 AM

  (12-10-2016, 02:53 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi everyone,
  
  Looking closely at f86r, the so-called "Covered Pool" illustration, I just noticed a feature I hadn't seen before, and I want to bring it up here for discussion.
  
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  Up until recently I had assumed that the vertical squiggly lines which extend into the pool from the "ceiling" were either steam rising or water pouring down, or maybe even some sort of supporting element like pillars or stems holding up the upper part.
  But upon closer examination, I realized there was a problem with all of these interpretations. Look at this zoomed image:
  
  
  
  The squiggles don't just hang down. Two of them actually connect together forming a U, like some sort of bunting/garland.
  This feature seems to only occur on the far right of the image.
  
  In factif we look at the whole pool, going from left to right:
  the first three sets of vertical squiggles stop in midair, the fourth and fifth touch/dip into the pool water (unclear which because of green paint), and the last two form a U-shaped "bunting"-like shape: they are connected, either underwater or floating on the surface.
  
  
  I'm really not sure how this can be explained or what it's meant to illustrate, but as far as I know, fluids don't behave this way.

  
  Hey there,
  
  I wanted to weigh in although still trying to figure it out...
  
  In my interpretation this so called bunting is indicative of a curve in the shoreline which is not drawn, but implied. The rest hang down straight so can be seen as parallel, meaning there is no curve involved in those areas.
  
  Picture a corner with a mountain on each side. Rainwater would drain into the middle of the corner from both sides.
  
  Ignore the writing it is just meant as a visual aid. 
  
  The waters draining from the mountains would meet in the middle, then spread away from there
  
  So there is no ceiling, instead, the top part represents, in sort of a dual fashion, the line of mountains down a peninsula which drain freshish water into communities, or ports on the shore, but also they indicate prominances or points of this shore, and the port areas between them.
  
  To me this water body indicates the west coast of Italy, ports on the Tyrrhenian Sea. 
  
  I just now recognize what the tube river port thing should be, i had thought it was Genoa as the port the Po as the river and then it connected to Venice in the water body below it. But Genoa is in the Ligurian Sea. So i went looking for what river this could be, and saw that it would be the Arno, which flows through Florence, and Pisa would be the port community. This does make more sense since Genoa and Florence were already shown on f80r, and now there is Pisa and down the coast, ie the tour continues after a side trip to north Italy and beyond.
  
  Here is the Arno. You can also see the line of mountains down the middle of the peninsula.
  
  
  
   A. The river looks just like the river tube with a straight skinny part and then the top of the port is the same shape as the top of the river where it runs around the mountain. Kinda disguised as being 3d...but see how the double line part of the top of it mimics the river bend? Oh and that blobby thing raining into that port represents mountains that rain minerals into the water.
  
  B. It doesnt mention Florence as a nymph because we already saw him that way. but if you know this information already, ie you are a sailor, then you know it is there.
  
  C. Pisa would be the actual ocean port, but as it is drawn it is also Florence in a way it is where the bend stops in the river, i e the end of the straight part. Also it has blue water ie not green ocean water, which also hints at it being Florence. So Florence is the port, but the nymph is Pisa in the alternate view of riverport.
  
  
  
  D. It sill connects to Venice by way of the blue stream, blue streams arent drawn to shape or scale they just mean things are connected, like you can continue to travel down and up the coast and you will eventually get there.
  
  So back to the ripply water that seems to come from above, those would be the water supplies for the various communities. The longer they are, the higher and or closer from whence they came. 
  
  So i dont know if i identified each one or any one of these before, but i think the crosslinked ones that both have blue water are Pozzuoli and Naples. Puzzuoli has an arm missing. I think it refers to the one arm of land between them, which is a caldera, and may mean there have been losses to nature in the past.
  
  
  
  Her water is not as long as Naples, whose mountain on the other side of it is Vesuvius. Ie higher places to see from a boat, perhaps. Or the closeness of the mountains and water to the ocean, maybe. Ie you lose some of that mountain freshness along the way, and or you dont get much of it, you have to go get it elsewhere. Because it doesnt flow your way.
  
  The other two linked ones with one supply, interlinked arms, like superinterlinked, are there three arms there? could be Amalfi and Salerno, not only side by side ports but amalfi is physically inside the larger region of Salerno. 
  
  I recently identified hands on hip to mean there are rutters for that place, in this case that would include the other, and the self within the self, i e the two arms of Salermo. Does the z mean anything? Or is that part of the arm within an arm analogy. 
  
  Same for the Puzzuoli Naples join, the rutter covers both.
  
  The next one with arms back i think means the civilization was once lost, or ruins are to be found, not exactly sure where i am getting this idea other than the places that seem to come up, which all seem to suffer from volcanic accidents. It means no rutter, or something changed, the old rutter is no good, it means enter at own risk. 
  
  The next one seems to have a rutter and most of the water. 
  
  I am still working on the poses. Touching seems to mean some sort of interaction between the communities. Hands forward is something, i dont know exactly what yet, like aggression or instigation. Hands up means something is happening now, still up in the air so to speak. Hands thrown back means started over but there is an ancient past. Waving means set up for trade. Something like that, it seems.
  
  The one pointing may be Rome, which gets you also the Vatican, perhaps?
  
  I will work on it some more to see if the commonalities work out.
  
  So back to the shoreline curve it would be where the boot curls to create the toe. The big bay from ankle to toe, and the last nymph would be on that last bay right on the toe by the mountain, ie 90 degrees to the rest, 45 to the two with the bunting. Sounds like a windrose setting.
  
  
  
  You can also see how the mountains are further away from shore in the north, that is why the smaller waterfall thingies to the left.
  
  I think the labels may be coordinates, maybe wind directions and distances.
  
  Anyway i hope i at least showed another way these images can be interpreted.

• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  -JKP- > 07-03-2019, 08:19 AM

  (07-03-2019, 07:47 AM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  I think the labels may be coordinates, maybe wind directions and distances.
  
  ...

  
  I also think the labels may be coordinates or some sort of cross-reference identifier. I am very doubtful that they are words.
  
  Even if they are letters, it still doesn't mean they are words. Letters are often used in coordinate systems, or as numbers in some of the older languages.

• RE: f84r "Covered Pool"

  Linda > 10-07-2019, 08:10 PM

  I think i have her figured out as of today. Long post will follow tonight on the rest but i am excited about  this one
  
  
   
  
  I realized that she stands for various but related things: 
  
  Sicily, the Tyrrhenian shoreline from Naples to the western edge of Sicily, the Aeolian arc as pointed to by the Milazzo promontory, and of course, Mount Etna as well, which she holds in the crook of her arm. 
  
  More to it but now that the Sicily morph has finally come to me, i realize she looks just like it, the parts drawn out of the water, at least.
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