Emma May Smith > 10-09-2016, 05:39 PM
(10-09-2016, 05:14 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I understand that you are speaking theoretically and, from that point of view, it's a good answer, but it's not enough for them to look like words. If you feel this is a natural language, then you need to identify it (or them). Much of the VMS can be resolved into syllables that look like words (or are words). It's even easier if the door is open to the words being from different languages, but that's not the same as resolving them into actual sentences or meaningful text.
It seems that one has to use about three or four languages to resolve this list into words. Perhaps you can fill in the gaps and explain all of them in a more cohesive way. If they can't be explained, there's a possibility they are just patterns and need to be dissected in another way in order to be understood.
Sam G > 10-09-2016, 05:59 PM
(10-09-2016, 05:11 PM)Emma May Smith Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.By the by, I do personally think that initial [q] and final [l] are likely to be morphological markers. I just can't prove it. I don't think we're at the point where we can understand the text and underlying language well enough.I think the fact that q is almost totally absent from the labels points toward it being a morphological marker of some kind - you don't need it to label individual items, but you do need it to write complete sentences.
Anton > 10-09-2016, 06:45 PM
Quote:I think the fact that q is almost totally absent from the labels points toward it being a morphological marker of some kind - you don't need it to label individual items, but you do need it to write complete sentences.
-JKP- > 10-09-2016, 07:02 PM
(10-09-2016, 06:45 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:I think the fact that q is almost totally absent from the labels points toward it being a morphological marker of some kind - you don't need it to label individual items, but you do need it to write complete sentences.
That's an excellent consideration. Is q really absent from labels? Could anyone please derive the "alphabet of labels" - which glyphs are used and which are not?
Koen G > 10-09-2016, 07:15 PM
MarcoP > 10-09-2016, 07:26 PM
(09-09-2016, 12:07 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A relatively small community lives somewhere in central-southern Europe. Their language or dialect is different than that of those around them. This was not uncommon in the times before standardization and the eradication of "les patois". Their language is entirely unknown to us, and it was likely an isolate like Basque. Somewhere around the 13th century, they adopted the Latin script for writing in their own language, though over the centuries they made numerous alterations to express different sounds. The result was Voynichese. Since they were a small community, they only produced a small amount of manuscripts, and their language and script were wiped from the face of the earth when the renaissance desire for national unity started imposing standard language forms within national borders. Only one manuscript remains today, and nobody knows how to read it.
Sam G > 10-09-2016, 07:45 PM
(10-09-2016, 06:45 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:I think the fact that q is almost totally absent from the labels points toward it being a morphological marker of some kind - you don't need it to label individual items, but you do need it to write complete sentences.
That's an excellent consideration. Is q really absent from labels? Could anyone please derive the "alphabet of labels" - which glyphs are used and which are not?
-JKP- > 10-09-2016, 08:03 PM
(10-09-2016, 07:26 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
Considering examples like Hildegard von Bingen and Giovanni Fontana, I would say that the alphabet was created by a single person in the XV century. The "small community" speaking an "isolated language" still fit the story of course.
If I remember correctly, both Hildergard's and Fontana's newly created alphabets are documented in more than one manuscript. Voynichese could be another example of alphabet infant mortality.
ThomasCoon > 11-09-2016, 04:41 PM