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  -JKP- > 07-09-2016, 06:51 AM

  Unfortunately, I neglected to screensnap the sample but for those familiar with classical Latin, I'm trying to work out a scrawly mystery word...
  
  "Cum a??? vadis per aco ..." (the "co" in aco is superscripted)
  
  I'm thinking it might be Cum autem vadis per... ? Or is there a better interpretation for the a-word?
  
  
  For context, it's the first sentence following a 14th-century point-list of stars/planets.

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  Searcher > 07-09-2016, 07:53 AM

  (07-09-2016, 06:51 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Unfortunately, I neglected to screensnap the sample but for those familiar with classical Latin, I'm trying to work out a scrawly mystery word...
  
  "Cum a??? vadis per aco ..." (the "co" in aco is superscripted)
  
  I'm thinking it might be Cum autem vadis per... ? Or is there a better interpretation for the a-word?
  
  
  For context, it's the first sentence following a 14th-century point-list of stars/planets.

  
  It quite can be not classical Latin in 14th century. "Cum" here may mean "when" (archaic quum and quom), therefore a-word may be just the preposition "a".
  When from waters through (per) aco...

• RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document

  ReneZ > 07-09-2016, 10:00 AM

  A bit hard without the example....
  I note that 'vadis' is indicative, not subjunctive.
  Therefore, 'cum' might be 'with' rather than a 'cum historicum'.

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  Searcher > 07-09-2016, 11:25 AM

  (07-09-2016, 10:00 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A bit hard without the example....
  I note that 'vadis' is indicative, not subjunctive.
  Therefore, 'cum' might be 'with' rather than a 'cum historicum'.

  
  In the translation I suggested, vadiis  is a noun (vadum) in ablative plural, maybe, a verb (subjunctive)  is in the rest part of the phrase. So, it could be useful to see the whole sentence.

• RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document

  ThomasCoon > 07-09-2016, 02:21 PM

  -JKP-, note that "autem" often (but not always) finds itself in the 2nd position in a sentence, which would support your theory.

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  Anton > 07-09-2016, 03:44 PM

  Would be good if you could draw it by memory.

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  -JKP- > 07-09-2016, 04:30 PM

  (07-09-2016, 07:53 AM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It quite can be not classical Latin in 14th century.

  
  You're quite right. I slipped in my terminology (I was probably in a "classical music" mindset when I wrote that  ). Medieval Latin.
  
  
  The a-word had at least one letter after it (difficult to decipher but probably u or i) and what was probably a tail (so it was likely something that was abbreviated).
  
  
  If I locate it again I'll screensnap it. I had been looking at some astronomical texts.
  
  Thanks for your input so far.
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