Linda > 30-07-2016, 04:21 AM
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R. Sale > 30-07-2016, 08:14 PM
Linda > 30-07-2016, 10:57 PM
(30-07-2016, 08:14 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Linda,
I think the first example is the prize in this group. A plain, traditional, nebuly line in black and white, Sable et Argent. It's from Genoa and it predates VMs parchment manufacture. I clicked on the father who also apparently had the same armorial insignia. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there is no corresponding insignia in the VMs, but interesting none the less.
The insignia that is relevant to the Genoese popes is that of the Fieschi family. The blazon for their insignia is Bendy, Argent et Azure. Having a blazon or verbal description can sometimes help to clarify subtle differences between patterns. It also helps to know the rules for tincture placement, particularly in the case of bendy patterns. In the Fieschi blazon, argent, listed first, is the primary tincture and azure is secondary. Rules for tincture placement on bendy patterns put the primary color in the first swatch at the lower dexter side. [Southwest on a map.] So the example of the Comune di V* has Azure as its primary tincture and the blazon for the field would be Bendy, Azure et Argent (leaving out the additional elements). The colors are reversed from the Fieschi blazon. This has been a matter of much confusion. Wikipedia had the Fieschi insignia colors reversed for years. And there have been and may still be other examples of the reversed version.
What identifies the blue-striped insignia in the White Aries illustration is not based on a single, definitive, interpretation. First it is necessary to see that the radial interpretation of the blue-striped patterns is not the only possible interpretation presented by the illustration. And even with the bendy pattern in blue and white, there are multiple historical possibilities. What makes the identification start to click is that the non-radial interpretation presents a *pair* of bendy patterns. Add in the red galero and the Fieschi historical connections with this tradition, the proper hierarchical placement of the two respective figures in the celestial spheres and there has to be some question as to how and why such a unique historical reference might be found or alluded to in this unexpected context. Further heraldic investigations reveal other confirmations which support this identification.
R. Sale > 30-07-2016, 11:09 PM