juergenw > 29-07-2016, 05:39 PM
(29-07-2016, 03:08 PM)Marco Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another possibility is that the T-O map does not represent "planet Earth" but Earth as one of the four elements. This hypothesis is maybe slightly less weak if one considers the circle at the bottom left of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the possible "water" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. at the bottom left of the Rosettes page.
EllieV > 29-07-2016, 06:21 PM
(29-07-2016, 05:39 PM)juergenw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(29-07-2016, 03:08 PM)Marco Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another possibility is that the T-O map does not represent "planet Earth" but Earth as one of the four elements. This hypothesis is maybe slightly less weak if one considers the circle at the bottom left of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the possible "water" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. at the bottom left of the Rosettes page.
Possible. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I thought the TO map in question to indicate 'the oecumene' as the part of the world with inhabitants (Asia, Aftica and Europe) basically a tag indicating planet Earth in the current form
MarcoP > 29-07-2016, 08:02 PM
(29-07-2016, 06:21 PM)EllieV Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco, I probably missed where you explain this - why do you believe this glyph represents water?
Linda > 29-07-2016, 09:27 PM
(29-07-2016, 11:23 AM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Quote:(28-07-2016, 09:36 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This neglects the T-O map. The fact that the T-O map is connected with the "Rosette w/castle" suggests that this Rosette represents either Europe (the part of the T-O it is connected with) or Earth on the whole.
Good observation! Recently i thought that the top right "Rosette with the castle" represent Italy / Mediterranean area / or a city in Italy. So the word that connects to that area= poey poey.
You can look at it very big, like the earth of the universe.
But also very small, like it represents a city or perhaps more general: the sea, or: lake
What could it be ? And are there also other words on the other area's ?
Davidsch > 30-07-2016, 03:42 PM
(29-07-2016, 11:47 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@ Davidsch:
I think it's rather cpoey. But the problem that I feel is there is that many labels may be not direct "names". Suppose this area represents Europe, but that does not mean that cpoey means "Europe". The VMS author may have reasonably considered that the fact that this area represents Europe is just obvious so it did not deserve a special note. And cpoey may refer to some important (in the context of the diagram) association with Europe - such as "good" or "moist" or a name of an angel, etc.
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Davidsch > 09-08-2016, 11:29 PM
davidjackson > 10-08-2016, 12:26 PM
Quote:Today one would say the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Suez Canal, Aegean Sea, Turkish Straits, Black Sea, Kuma–Manych Depression, Caspian Sea, Emba River, and the Ural Mountains. The T&O map says "Mare magnum fiue"? Maremagnum is the Great Sea. Normally that would be the Atlantic, except the Atlantic is west of Europe and Africa. The map also has descriptors for the continents, looks like Sem, Cham, and Iafeth. Cham is Ham the son of Noah, see Hamitic. Iafeth is Japheth, see Japhetic. Sem is Shem, see Semitic. 75.15.198.35 (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)Mare magnum sive Mediterraneum meaning "the great sea or Mediterranean". The Mare Magnum was the ancient name of the Med.
The text in the middle is "Mare magnum sive mediterraneum," meaning "great or inland sea." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.188.90 (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Linda > 10-08-2016, 09:45 PM
(10-08-2016, 12:26 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Quote:Today one would say the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Suez Canal, Aegean Sea, Turkish Straits, Black Sea, Kuma–Manych Depression, Caspian Sea, Emba River, and the Ural Mountains. The T&O map says "Mare magnum fiue"? Maremagnum is the Great Sea. Normally that would be the Atlantic, except the Atlantic is west of Europe and Africa. The map also has descriptors for the continents, looks like Sem, Cham, and Iafeth. Cham is Ham the son of Noah, see Hamitic. Iafeth is Japheth, see Japhetic. Sem is Shem, see Semitic. 75.15.198.35 (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2010 (UTC)Mare magnum sive Mediterraneum meaning "the great sea or Mediterranean". The Mare Magnum was the ancient name of the Med.
The text in the middle is "Mare magnum sive mediterraneum," meaning "great or inland sea." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.188.90 (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Cham, Shem and Japheth are the sons of Noah who colonised the different continents: Africa, Europe, Asia.
Pretty common TO nomenclature. In other maps the divisions between Europe / Asia are marked by the Black sea, and the division between Asia / Africa by the Nile.
Searcher > 10-08-2016, 10:48 PM
Davidsch > 17-08-2016, 01:32 PM