MarcoP > 28-03-2021, 08:16 AM
(28-03-2021, 04:47 AM)mscheo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, I've just finished my first round transcription of the VMS, with many "a/o" and "r/s" marked in red. (Gosh, some of them are really difficult to differentiate.) And whenever I hit a group of duplicates, triplicates or even quadruplicates vords, I marked them in green and wondered - what words could they be?
Duplicates are easier to explain. Besides the is-is, that-that, so-so, it also happens whenever a word (particularly a noun) ends a sentence and starts a new one, like "It has to be You/Elephants. Elephants/You are the greatest."
(28-03-2021, 04:47 AM)mscheo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
I believe Voynichese will have its fair share of (ancient) idioms/figure of speech/metaphor/hyperbole. Unless a Rosetta Stone with Vords is discovered, I doubt the VMS could be decoded fully by one person. Instead, through the works of many, it would come in fragments, dozens of words here and there, then hundreds and then thousands, over the course of time, by different folks. So, along the course of your work, you might have translated/substituted/decoded some vords that seem strange or out of place. Don't discarded them yet. Those vords could be figure of speech or hyperbole that need to be understood in their proper context. Share them here and let everyone tinker on them.
Also, it would be helpful to find out what are the common figure of speech/metaphor/hyperbole used in botany/herbal/medical/astrology in the 14th/15th century Latin world. Any one got any to share?
Quote:Question (Speaker not identified): How do you account for the full-word repeats?
Currier: That’s just the point — they’re not words!
Aga Tentakulus > 28-03-2021, 10:28 AM
Aga Tentakulus > 28-03-2021, 10:32 AM
Anton > 28-03-2021, 11:03 AM
(28-03-2021, 08:16 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- either Voynichese words do not correspond to words in a natural language
- or the underlying language is not an ordinary (Latin / Saxon / Slavic / Greek) European language
MichelleL11 > 28-03-2021, 07:44 PM
(28-03-2021, 11:03 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(28-03-2021, 08:16 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
- either Voynichese words do not correspond to words in a natural language
- or the underlying language is not an ordinary (Latin / Saxon / Slavic / Greek) European language
The third option, of course, is that the natural flow of the plain text is simply not preserved in the ciphertext.
Arichichi > 28-02-2023, 08:08 AM
nablator > 28-02-2023, 11:03 AM
(28-02-2023, 08:08 AM)Arichichi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In this respect, as a set, repeating words may exhibit an affinity one to the other and two sequences XX and YY would make it more likely that XY appears in the text, that is, if X and Y are digits.The most frequently reduplicated words are chol and qokeedy, but these words appear next to each other only twice:
Arichichi > 28-02-2023, 12:48 PM
(28-02-2023, 11:03 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For the next few words on the list of most reduplicated, the numbers of appearances next to each other are not particularly high, with some exceptions:
-y q- (there is a known affinity between these words)
chol daiin
chedy daiin
Anton > 28-02-2023, 04:18 PM
(28-02-2023, 08:08 AM)Arichichi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.what if the repeating sequences relate to usage of numbers like a thousand thousand, or a million million, or more appropriately something like two two to say twenty two
Aga Tentakulus > 28-02-2023, 04:56 PM