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f116v is a decryption attempt?
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f116v is a decryption attempt?
ololololo > 12-07-2026, 08:38 AM
I have long suspected that the marginalia may be an attempt at translation or a translation of a manuscript. There is no way to prove this at the moment, but it is possible to speculate...
What if You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is an attempt to translate a recipe? It's possible that the person thought they could translate the manuscript (or they could, but they weren't very good at it), so they decided to take a random recipe and translate it on the last page. He may not have been able to translate the letter d, as it appears in the words, and he may not have been able to translate aror (oror) sheey, and the only thing that made sense in his "translation" was "so nim gas mich". "marix morix vix" may be a repetition as "qokedy qokedy qokeedy"
I could not find the combination aror sheey or oror sheey in the manuscript. There are recipes where the word before sheey is similar to oror: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ol rar sheey ylar...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...airal sheey...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ar sheey...).
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RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
JustAnotherTheory > 12-07-2026, 12:42 PM
I've also looked into this before. The fact that "oror sheey" was nowhere to be found in the MS unfortunately kills this hypothesis.
Unless, oror sheey was in one of the folios that was cut out by Barschius or Marci. -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
Ruby Novacna > 12-07-2026, 03:23 PM
(12-07-2026, 08:38 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I could not find the combination aror sheey or oror sheey in the manuscript. There are recipes where the word before sheey is similar to oror: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ol rar sheey ylar...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...airal sheey...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ar sheey...).
See aror,sheey on 104.28 -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
ololololo > 12-07-2026, 03:34 PM
(12-07-2026, 03:23 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Thank you very much! For some reason, I missed it...(12-07-2026, 08:38 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I could not find the combination aror sheey or oror sheey in the manuscript. There are recipes where the word before sheey is similar to oror: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ol rar sheey ylar...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...airal sheey...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ar sheey...).
See aror,sheey on 104.28 -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
ololololo > 12-07-2026, 03:56 PM
(12-07-2026, 03:34 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
There are 23-24 words on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (if you count ic as a word).(12-07-2026, 03:23 PM)Ruby Novacna Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Thank you very much! For some reason, I missed it...(12-07-2026, 08:38 AM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I could not find the combination aror sheey or oror sheey in the manuscript. There are recipes where the word before sheey is similar to oror: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ol rar sheey ylar...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...airal sheey...); You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (...ar sheey...).
See aror,sheey on 104.28
There are only 32 words in that recipe and 15 before arorsheey.
It looks interesting that the number of words on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is half as much... If this is indeed an attempt at decryption, it could be a small hint that the Voynichese words are not words...
There are problems with letter-by-letter comparison. The word pchedar has 5-6 letters (if ar is considered a letter, then 5). There are 8 or 7 of them in the word anchiton (if we assume that ch is not encrypted as two letters, but as one). But! For oladabad, you can find applicants - this is qokaiin qotaiin dl. I think the oladaba part is similar to the qokaiin qotaiin series because it also looks repetitive...
"marix morix vix" can match part cphaiin daiin ar. There is no triple repetition in the recipe.
The part "paldcn ubreƞ" can be matched with the part olkeechy or olkeechy or. "so nim gas mich" is similar to the following or char cheeol. The letters ee (in olkeechy and cheeol) and a are repeated twice. There are similarities between or char cheeol and "so nim gas mich", with the letters m and ch repeated twice.
But I think these coincidences are far-fetched... -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
Jorge_Stolfi > 13-07-2026, 12:26 AM
(12-07-2026, 12:42 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The fact that "oror sheey" was nowhere to be found in the MS unfortunately kills this hypothesis.
I would read it as aror Sheey (not oror); and both aror and Sheey occur in the VMS. In particular, on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. line 28:
When I transcribed that page, I entered that as a single word. Given the occurrence on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (where it is clearly two words) I would now break that occurrence on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with a comma.
All the best, --stolfi -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
ololololo > 13-07-2026, 06:20 AM
The part l ral (cheodl) corresponds to "ic cav ceve", but the word "miltod" does not fit in, and for some reason there is no place for it in the recipe. -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
Bernd > 13-07-2026, 11:46 AM
Arguments against this hypothesis:
.) All marginalia follow a similar style and were probably created by the same person.
.) The color annotations are in a very similar hand in my view were made by the same person who wrote the marginalia.
.) The marginalia are accompanied by drawings that match the quire and even bifolio style (except You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as Q20 only has stars, but the drawings also match the overall VM style).
All this points to the marginalia author being the VM artist. -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
ololololo > 13-07-2026, 05:04 PM
(13-07-2026, 11:46 AM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.but the drawings also match the overall VM style
I wouldn't say that. They are rather different from this style. The nymph is very different from her "friends" in balneology.
(13-07-2026, 11:46 AM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.All this points to the marginalia author being the VM artist.
Yes, he may be the author of these marginalia, but who knows if he wanted to decipher a recipe? -
RE: f116v is a decryption attempt?
JustAnotherTheory > 13-07-2026, 07:29 PM