MarcoP > 26-10-2017, 04:30 PM
(26-10-2017, 04:09 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And if you keep misrepresenting my arguments we won't get far either. I mean of the intended audience. What modern viewers recognise or not is irrelevant in understanding the intention of the image.
MarcoP > 02-11-2017, 09:02 PM
MarcoP > 07-11-2017, 04:30 PM
(08-05-2016, 01:29 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'll just throw this in as an additional possibility about this image:
I find this illustration has parallels in the study on the Livre d'Ethiques I linked to in my post about poses, which you can read You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. .
Specifically I see a parallel between the structure of this image and that of the iconography depicted in figures 12A & 14:
At the center there is Virtue with her arms extended to both sides. On either side are the Vices: Excess and Default. Closer to her are the personifications of Good Will and Knowledge.
In the Voynich there are five labels also. It could be interpreted as Virtue in the Center, Default on the left, Excess on the right (note that the left nymph stands in a rather simple tub compared to the right nymph, which stands in a more ornate one).
Immediately to the left and right of the central figure there are two labelled tube ends: these could be Good Will and Knowledge.
-JKP- > 07-11-2017, 04:45 PM
Koen G > 07-11-2017, 08:04 PM
Paris > 07-11-2017, 09:18 PM
Koen G > 07-11-2017, 09:27 PM
-JKP- > 08-11-2017, 03:54 AM
(07-11-2017, 08:04 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Cassiopeia occupies one of the most prominent locations in the Milky Way belt. And Galaxy mythology links it to a stream of animal milk. Just to say, the teats and streams of white liquid are very appropriate to Cassiopeia.
This doesn't exclude an anatomical reference though, since I hold that these images are explicitly layered by design. My real objection is, as I wrote in my latest blog post, that the specific organs as they are evoked here, do not correspond at all to the way medievals thought about these organs. We recognize them because exposure to modern medical diagrams has engrained specific shapes in our mind of the carefully isolated, idealized organ.
I have not been able to find an early 15th century depiction of the ovaries or uterus yet in which the horizontal properties are emphasized like this. Or anything close to our modern image of these organs, which the VM structure resembles. If such an early 15thC (or earlier) image were found, it would provide some basis for the organic theory.
Helmut Winkler > 08-11-2017, 09:28 AM
-JKP- > 08-11-2017, 10:40 AM
(08-11-2017, 09:28 AM)Helmut Winkler Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Leonardo didn't come out of nowhere, there was a long history of anatomists and I think the Voynich author was part of it, another, better documented case are the herbals and someone like Mattioli
Dissecting humans was taboo ...
That is utterly wrong