-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 10:12 AM
bi3mw > 06-05-2017, 12:13 PM
(06-05-2017, 10:12 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..... Why can't Euphorbia fruit have a double meaning? It's named after a famous doctor to an ancient king and the resemblance to a scepter or a guardian angel might be a reference to this important person.....
-JKP- > 06-05-2017, 12:15 PM
(06-05-2017, 12:13 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(06-05-2017, 10:12 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..... Why can't Euphorbia fruit have a double meaning? It's named after a famous doctor to an ancient king and the resemblance to a scepter or a guardian angel might be a reference to this important person.....
Just to clarify, when it comes to identification of plants according to well-known traditions, I'm fully on your side. Provided the illustrator(s) had no interest in hiding something.
I already had the idea that some plants might be depicted as described, but not on this subject. Of course, Euphorbia is a possible interpretation, but maybe it's too good to be true.
Now I have to stop myself, otherwise it will be completely off topic.
bi3mw > 07-05-2017, 08:54 PM
Koen G > 07-05-2017, 10:23 PM
-JKP- > 07-05-2017, 11:52 PM
(07-05-2017, 08:54 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Upon further investigation on the subject I want to check whether the so-called "digitus virilis" as a gesture could have a meaning here or not. All I've found so far are vague references. So I looked at the "usual suspects" and came across the Ruland Psalter. There is a scene with sexual content that could show this allegorical finger. Is this what is meant by "digitus virilis" ?
right: British Library, Add MS 62925, c 1260, folio 62r
Koen G > 08-05-2017, 04:46 AM
-JKP- > 08-05-2017, 06:02 AM
bi3mw > 08-05-2017, 07:57 AM
(07-05-2017, 10:23 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view...... Upon checking the BL manuscript I'm a bit confused since this is a marginal scene. It almost looks as if the figure's pose was used as an example, like a model but perhaps with a different meaning. .....
Quote:Hutcheson, G. S. & Blackmore, J. (Eds.), Queer Iberia, Duke University Press, 1999, p. 137
.... There is also ample documentation from the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries of, for example, the use of the digitus virilis (cf. Ger. elfte/steife Finger 'the eleventh/stiff finger') with this meaning in carnivalesque genres (Aigremont 328; Catholy 247). Compare the visual pun in The Rutland Psalter (c. 1260), apparently the manuscript illustrator's suggestion as to what the learned Latin scribe can do with his pen .....
Koen G > 08-05-2017, 09:09 AM
Quote:This figure, in a detail of a medieval Hebrew calendar, reminded Jews of the palm branch (Lulav), the myrtle twigs, the willow branches, and the citron (Etrog) to be held in the hand and to be brought to the synagogue during the holiday of sukkot, near the end of the autumn holiday season.