Searcher > 26-04-2017, 10:08 PM
(26-04-2017, 09:03 PM)nickpelling Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What pre-1450 vernacular urinoscopy manuscripts are known? Do they tend to have a distinctive size / layout / structure? Do they tend to have distinctive drawings interleaved with the text?
Searcher > 26-04-2017, 10:28 PM
bi3mw > 01-05-2017, 02:22 PM
Quote:Kieckhefer, Richard (2014). Magic In The Middle Ages (2. Ed.), Cambridge University Press, pp. 102-104
... One chronicle suggests that when gems were in proximity to poison they would break out in a kind of sweat. Such notions may seem fanciful, but clearly they were meant seriously. Thus, in 1408 the duke of Burgundy had a stone set in a ring as a means for detecting poison.
Quite often the magical power of the stone itself was enchanced by that of inscriptions. One example which in many ways typifies the tendency is a fourteenth-century ring from Italy ( Fig. 10a ).The ring itself is gold. It is set with a "toadstone". This stone, which counted as precious, allegedly came from the head of a toad, though actually it was a fossil derived from a certain kind of fish. ...
-JKP- > 01-05-2017, 07:46 PM
bi3mw > 02-05-2017, 12:28 AM
Diane > 05-05-2017, 08:50 AM
-JKP- > 05-05-2017, 05:56 PM
(02-05-2017, 12:28 AM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.JKP: As I have posted You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., the herb looks like the one on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , but the pose is indeed interesting. One could assume that theriac is represented here. The root of angelica archangelica / angel's plant was one of the four main ingredients in theriac which was also called "Himmelsarznei" in german. That means "heaven's drug" in english. Unfortunately, this only fits when you look at angelica, not in usual medieval images.
Compared to the real plant, the whole thing looks like this:
bi3mw > 05-05-2017, 10:12 PM
(05-05-2017, 05:56 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view...... Notice how this plant specifically has five branches like the VMS plant and specifically has three fruits per cluster, like the VMS fruits on the left.....
-JKP- > 05-05-2017, 11:07 PM
(05-05-2017, 10:12 PM)bi3mw Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You're right, technically, euphorbia is a good candidate. However, I haven't seen the fruits as a physical part of the plant, but as an added, pictorial description. I admit that this approach presupposes that the author(s) wanted to offer such a possibility. - or install another hurdle, depending on how you see it.
bi3mw > 06-05-2017, 09:57 AM