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• Another candidate for matching the VMS marginalia

  JustAnotherTheory > 03-04-2026, 05:43 PM

  Hi friends! I just came across the following manuscript (BSB Cgm 8873). It seems to have some likeness to the handwriting of the VMS marginalia on folios You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and f116v. It comes from a German Carthusian monastery in 1431. Here are some examples:
  
     
  
  What do you think?
  
  EDIT: here is a link to the MS: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

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  JoJo_Jost > Yesterday, 06:36 AM

  This is a very valuable find because it shows the Gothic script in its German form and bears a striking resemblance to the marginalia. Is there a transcription? The place where it was written and the time period are, of course, also very interesting....

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  Aga Tentakulus > Yesterday, 06:54 AM

  “buez” surely means “to repent,” from “tue buse” (to repent). To repent.
  We know the rest.
  
  "buez" sicher Buse, von "tue buse" on büsen. Bereuen.
  Der Rest kennen wir.

• RE: Another candidate for matching the VMS marginalia

  JustAnotherTheory > Yesterday, 08:45 AM

  (Yesterday, 06:36 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is a very valuable find because it shows the Gothic script in its German form and bears a striking resemblance to the marginalia. Is there a transcription? The place where it was written and the time period are, of course, also very interesting....

  
  All I know that it was written in Nürnberg aroiund 1431. More information here:
  
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• RE: Another candidate for matching the VMS marginalia

  Bernd > Yesterday, 11:17 AM

  Some similarity but I don't think it's an exceptionally good match. For example 'P' certainly does not fit the VM marginalia handwriting. But it shows the writing style was common in contemporary German territories. In contrast to the marginalia, this text is relatively easily readable, bot in terms of letters and language. Which again tells us that there is something extremely odd going on in the VM (obviously).

• RE: Another candidate for matching the VMS marginalia

  bi3mw > Yesterday, 03:28 PM

  @JustAnotherTheory: Could you maybe point out the line where each word appears?
  
  Background on the individual sections of the text:
  

  Quote:Visio monachi de Eynsham (The Vision of the Monk of Eynsham)
  Even in its own time, the “Vision of the Monk of Eynsham”—revealed to a Benedictine monk at an English monastery in 1196—was regarded by contemporaries as one of the most significant journeys into the afterlife of the Middle Ages. Soon after the vision was recorded around 1200, several editors and translators in Western Europe began adapting the revelation to the needs of their time and region, as well as to their social and intellectual milieu.
  
  Abecedarius (Erhart Groß)
  The “Abecedarius,” completed in 1431, may now be considered his first work in the vernacular, for he states in the introductory chapter: “Jeh hon noch niemer teütsch geschriben” (40v). The “Abecedarius” is divided into a detailed introductory chapter and 29 chapters arranged alphabetically according to theological key terms, the main part of each consisting of teachings in the style of devotional theology with a multitude of quotations from scholarly writings, supplemented by occasional explanations of the monastic rule and daily monastic life.
  
  Examples from Collationes patrum (Cassianus, Johannes)
  The Conversations with the Fathers is the magnum opus of the spiritual teacher and monk Johannes Cassianus. Throughout the centuries, it has served as a guide and foundation for the spiritual life. It formed the basis for many monastic rules.

• RE: Another candidate for matching the VMS marginalia

  Aga Tentakulus > Yesterday, 04:00 PM

     
  
  Also interesting here are the three instances of “her,” each with a different meaning.
  “vor her” means “before,” “hin und her” means “back and forth,” and “unser her” means “our Lord.”
  There are several other meanings as well.
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