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Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
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RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
JustAnotherTheory > 19-03-2026, 07:29 AM
OK, that's true. That is convincing enough to state that the manuscript is NOT from Diebold Lauber. But it's not convincing to say it influenced the VMS in any way. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
Aga Tentakulus > 19-03-2026, 08:55 AM
It’s hard to say whether Lilienfeld’s VM was influenced by this, but there are quite a few stylistic similarities. More than you might think.
For example, right next to the dragon. The way the rocks and sand are drawn. Maybe it’s just a coincidence.
Also note the priests’ headgear. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
Koen G > 19-03-2026, 09:50 AM
That is an interesting image.
I think the text reads "Sunt hii torrentes aurum lapidesque terhentes".
So these are torrents (like rivers?) polishing gold and gemstones. The theme of the whole page appears to be "offering precious things", "shining excellence" etc.
I'm not sure yet what the Tappula is doing there. LLM's hallucinate with this script, so I found them of no help. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
MarcoP > 19-03-2026, 11:30 AM
(17-03-2026, 07:25 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Jonah resembling the nymph on VM f83r
Illustration #284 is about the text on the following page #285. It depicts a sea monster commonly known as the "Sea Monk" (monachus maris). I believe the illustration shows the monster about to drown one of its victims (it is essentially a variant of the mermaid theme).
Liber nature dicit quod monachus est monstrum in mari, super femur ut monachus, infra ut piscis.... (The Book of Nature says that the sea-monk is a monster of the sea, above the thigh like a monk, below like a fish)
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EDIT: maybe in the next few days I can translate passages that might be of interest. But I need image numbers or links, I don't have the time to hunt for individual details among all these illustrations. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
Koen G > 19-03-2026, 03:10 PM
This is a machine translation of one of the accompanying paragraphs, very likely to contain errors. But it should give you a good impression of why these images are put together:
Quote:The worm Tappula is a four-footed creature and has soles [on its feet]. It runs equally upon the earth and over the waters, and it does not wither.
Spiritually, the Tappula worm is like a man who effectively keeps the commandments of God and uses four feet; he is supported by the four cardinal virtues: namely Prudence, Justice, Fortitude, and Temperance.
He also has soles on his feet because he always runs toward the Lord with the sad and joyful devotions of his affections. He runs equally upon the earth, which is stable: because he exerts himself with a calm mind in the service of God, as if life were eternal to him. Similarly, [he runs] over the flowing waters of temporal lordships/possessions: in which many quarrels are found, and yet he does not wither; he remains inwardly unshaken and ever peaceful amidst human trials. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
Bernd > 19-03-2026, 03:28 PM
(19-03-2026, 11:30 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Illustration #284 is about the text on the following page #285. It depicts a sea monster commonly known as the "Sea Monk" (monachus maris). I believe the illustration shows the monster about to drown one of its victims (it is essentially a variant of the mermaid theme).
Yes, you are of course correct, I was too sloppy posting all the imagery I had amassed. All my images have the page number in the file name if that helps. -
RE: Lilienfeld Concordantiae caritatis, HS 151
R. Sale > 20-03-2026, 05:23 PM