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Text in Latin at f9v
Rafal > Yesterday, 09:27 PM
Again I am not sure if I am not reinventing the wheel...
I have seen several mentions of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where is seems to be "rot" (red in German) text written on the plant.
ButI don't recall talking about You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
There seems to be another Latin text on the flower, a bit obscured by the paint but visible
And there seems to be written something in the top petal, partially covered by paint.
It looks like "pur" to me which could be "purpureus" in Latin or "purpur" in German meaning purple.
There seem also to be two "r" letters on other petals.
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RE: Text in Latin at f9v
Rafal > Yesterday, 11:05 PM
Oh my, it looks like all low hanging fruits have been already picked. You guys did it all, you just didn't cracked it.
I guess I may delete my account here
But let me add:
Rene's site says it's "por" but I think it's "pur", the middle letter is not closed.
I enhanced the picture a bit:
And if it was purple then it would be compatible with this thread:
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This is how viola tricolor (wild pantsy) look like:
![[Image: viola-tricolor-780x459.webp]](https://www.gardenia.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/viola-tricolor-780x459.webp)
And by the way I would have comment to this from Rene's site:
f1v
A single 'g' under the paint of the second leftmost green leaf
The suggestion is that this indicates that it should be painted green.
Another option is "gelb" - yellow in German -
RE: Text in Latin at f9v
Rafal > Yesterday, 11:33 PM
Quote:There was also a recent post by @Jorge_Stolfi about these
Yeah, I feel a bit like a clown "discovering" all this stuff that was already discussed in some deeply buried thread from 2017.
But would it be better if people didn't post stuff al all because they are afraid it could be said before? -
RE: Text in Latin at f9v
oshfdk > Yesterday, 11:39 PM
(Yesterday, 11:33 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yeah, I feel a bit like a clown "discovering" all this stuff that was already discussed in some deeply buried thread from 2017.
But would it be better if people didn't post stuff al all because they are afraid it could be said before?
There is nothing to be afraid of, objectively there is extremely small chance of discovering a really novel thing in the manuscript that has been one the most famous medieval curiosities for a long time and with high resolution images publicly available for decades.
I think the only way one can discover something novel is first repeating hundreds of discoveries made in the past, nothing wrong or funny about this. -
RE: Text in Latin at f9v
Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 11:43 PM
(Yesterday, 10:21 PM)RobGea Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.voynich nu has a table of these along with some observations, voynich.nu / writing / Overview of additional or extraneous writing
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My guess is that most of those letters in flowers and leaves are indeed color annotations, but they were present in whatever herbal the original VMS Scribe copied those parts of those plants from (as in that example that Rene cites via Towaide). And the capital F on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. could have been a label, tying the flower to the text near it. The Scribe copied those letters without understanding what they were.
As noted by Rene, those "color annotations" occur only in folios 1-32. Maybe it was only at that point that the Author checked the Scribe's work and told him to omit those annotations. Or maybe the Scribe switched to another source book.
If that is the explanation, then why didn't the Scribe figure out what those letters were, and omit them, on his own?
Maybe he was not the brightest candle in the candelabrum.
Maybe he was not familiar with herbals and color annotations.
Maybe he had turned the both source book and the VMS bifolio updside down in order top copy the flowers, and did not realize that those squiggles were writing. (This would explain why the letters seem malformed.)
Maybe he did not understand enough of German or Latin to guess that "rot" meant "red" and "pur" meant "purpura"
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RE: Text in Latin at f9v
RobGea > Today, 01:37 AM
(Yesterday, 11:33 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view."discovering" all this stuff that was already discussed in some deeply buried thread from 2017.
Yeah, that kind of thing happens a lot - to me at least
It is a bit annoying, sometimes a bit embarrassing, but with how things are, it is just in the nature of Voynich studies.
If you find a nugget and never post, you will never know if your nugget is gold or brass.
Keep at it.
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It looks more like 'por' to me than 'pur'.
According to Omniglot, that still could be Purple; 'porpra' in Catalan, 'porffor' in Welsh or even Greek 'porphúra' for Tyrenian purple.
Color words multilingual
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Tyrian purple
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RE: Text in Latin at f9v
MarcoP > 7 hours ago
There's the Italian "porpora" too.
In Latin, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. / You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are rare but not unknown.
Off-topic: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (Greek) was the first word that AI made readable in the Herculaneum scrolls.