ReneZ > 04-10-2018, 11:22 AM
MarcoP > 04-10-2018, 08:09 PM
(04-10-2018, 09:56 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-10-2018, 09:25 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If I understood correctly Zhe's discussion of Chinese reduplication and pseudo-reduplication, my impression is that Chinese is not compatible with what we can observe in Voynichese. For instance:Yes, I think you got it. Unless we can say EVA-q is a syllable, there will be a huge gap between Chinese reduplication and Voynichese reduplication.
- q- does not behave as a syllable, but as a modifier of 'o': it almost exclusively occurs as 'qo-'. But quasi reduplication in Chinese involves the addition of a whole syllable.
- q- almost appears to be a "reduplication marker". Whatever the reason for the correlation of q- with exact reduplication and quasi-reduplication, nothing similar happens in Chinese.
(04-10-2018, 09:56 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-10-2018, 09:25 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.One more question about Chinese. Voynichese also presents three or more exact or slightly altered repetitions of the same word. For instance:
<f89r2.P1.3;H> toy.daiin.daiin.daiin.ody.qokeey.cheoldy.qody.cheor.s.ain.daiin.oky.cheody.cheoky=
<f95r1.P.8;H> olkor.chdaiin.chol.kaiin.qokeedy.qoky.chedy.lchedy.chedy.alod-
I count 9 occurrences of a single word being exactly repeated three times and 1 occurrence of the same word repeated four times (the famous You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
If one allows for slight alterations (as in the f.95r1 examples above), the numbers increase according to how one defines "quasi-repetition". I think that significant quasi-repetitions with three consecutive occurrences averagely appear once in 1000 words and possibly more.
Are word repetitions with 3 or more occurrences something that is observed in Chinese too?
Yes, but it requires some intentional construction like the English sentence “I saw a saw saw a saw”, and probably won’t be common in daily usage.
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ChenZheChina > 05-10-2018, 05:24 AM
(04-10-2018, 11:22 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Dear Zhe,
on a side note, in this phrase:
wǒ yī bǎ bǎ bǎ bǎ zhù le
我一把把把把住了。
which of the low tones would be modified to rising tones?
In fact, is there a general rule when there are three consecutive low tones?
-JKP- > 05-10-2018, 05:29 AM
ChenZheChina > 05-10-2018, 06:31 AM
(04-10-2018, 08:09 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-10-2018, 09:56 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, but it requires some intentional construction like the English sentence “I saw a saw saw a saw”, and probably won’t be common in daily usage.
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Thank you! From this remark and your examples, I would say that Chinese multiple repetition is not a feature of the language, but more something weird that can be constructed as something like a pun. Your English example is illuminating.
In Voynichese, multiple repetition is rather frequent, in particular if one considers pseudo-repetition. It looks like a feature of the language. I will try to think of a simple way to see which languages behave similarly in this respect.
ReneZ > 05-10-2018, 06:37 AM
-JKP- > 05-10-2018, 06:44 AM
(05-10-2018, 06:31 AM)ChenZheChina Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
After reading your post, I really wonder what qo- prefix and o-prefix might be. If o is a vowel, Arabic definite article al- and Spanish el seems to be a possible candidate, for it appear at beginning of words frequently. But simply being definite article cannot explain their high correlation with reduplication as in your post. However, I really know nothing about those Arabic or Spanish, so I cannot say anything more.
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