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• RE: The 'Chinese' Theory: For and Against

  Jorge_Stolfi > 1 hour ago

  (Yesterday, 02:34 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stolfi, if you don’t understand why I don’t consider the recipe a serious document, I’ll make a similar comparison.

  
  Indeed I do not understand you example.  You took ONE song that has a word repeated five times i a row. Then you pointed to ONE set of VMS lines that has a bunch of similar words in a row.  And claim that this example is just like my evidence for the whole SPS being the whole SBJ, namely the occurrence of certain key words in corresponding positions of most recipes. 
  
  Sorry, but no, it is nowhere near "the same thing".

• RE: The 'Chinese' Theory: For and Against

  Jorge_Stolfi > 37 minutes ago

  (Yesterday, 02:26 PM)ololololo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

  (Yesterday, 02:12 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Theories that assume it is an encrypted European language cannot explain why one would encrypt the entire 200+ page book with a method so sophisticated that not even the NSA and Bletchley spooks could figure out anything about it. If the goal was to hide some "dangerous" stuff, why did the Author then add bizarre illustrations that would have attracted attention and suspicions? ("Those naked women must be witches celebrating a black sabbath. Off to the stake with him!")

  If it’s encrypted, then there was something to encrypt.

  
  In other words, "The theories that say it is encrypted offer no plausible explanation for why it was encrypted, nor why the book was created."
  
  

  Quote:Why did the author have to show his encrypted book to someone?

  If the book was not meant to be shown to others, why did the Author decided to have it copied onto vellum?  Why did he waste so much vellum with blank spaces in the herbal and with nymphs in the Zodiac?
  
  

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  (Yesterday, 02:12 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The Chinese Theory explains all of those puzzling VMS features with no strain.

  Really?

  Yes, really.  
  
  Please be specific.  Which part of the Chinese Origin theory you think is implausible?  
  
  Which puzzling feature of the VMS you think cannot be explained within that theory?

• RE: The 'Chinese' Theory: For and Against

  Jorge_Stolfi > 24 minutes ago

  (Yesterday, 02:23 PM)rikforto Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.remain at a loss to give a fair, consistent explanation of the impetus for creating it. At a high level, I understand that it is supposed to be a workaround to writing the Chinese characters, and to record a dictation session or their phonetic value some other way. It is still not clear to me whether or not you think The Author understood the dictation, and you certainly think it is full of errors that you have supposed were due to the difficulties the author would have had telling words apart. Why create that kind of record?

  
  What else could he have done?
  
  All the people who have transcribed the VMS to digital files, starting with Friedman, never understood a single word of it.  So why did they do it?
  
  The Zhenghe Bencao editors who copied the SBJ into their encylopedia already could not understand many parts of it. (Like those comments in the Rooster recipe about heads hung on the East gate, turning eggs into amber, and what were those "chicken white grubs".  And already could not identify several of the plants.)  The archaeologists who copied cuneiform, hyeroglyphic, and many other ancient inscriptions generally did not undertand them either.  The Medieval scholars who translated Arabic alchemy books into Latin surely could not understand much of them.
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