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• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 04-05-2025, 03:46 PM

  (03-05-2025, 09:32 PM)Bluetoes101 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view....
  
  I guess the point is, however strong the link seems, it will fall apart once applied elsewhere and we only have so much time, so it might not be the best use of your time. 
  
  Obviously its up to you though. 
  
  ...

  Thanks for your remarks, Bluetoes101. Within the intended framework of this thread, the novel attempt is to consider most (if not even all) cipher symbols as ligatures of at least two letters of the unknown language. 
  Also, most cipher symbols come in two flavors (see the v101 transliteration) which is to be taken into account.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  nablator > 04-05-2025, 03:50 PM

  (04-05-2025, 02:16 PM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Note the divisibility by 5 of the number of distinct symbols preceding odar.

  
  How about noting the numbers of things that are not divisible by 5 for a change? I bet there are 4 times as many.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  oshfdk > 04-05-2025, 04:05 PM

  (04-05-2025, 03:50 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How about noting the numbers of things that are not divisible by 5 for a change? I bet there are 4 times as much.

  
  I remember there was a list of suffixes somewhere with a "remarkably high number of counts divisible by 5". I checked, and this remarkably high number turned out to be ~16%. But then I started thinking about what the actual expected percentage should be (given that counts are not uniformly distributed and are skewed towards lower numbers, so 20% is probably not the right answer) and got distracted.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 04-05-2025, 04:07 PM

  (04-05-2025, 03:50 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.How about noting the numbers of things that are not divisible by 5 for a change? I bet there are 4 times as much.

  Certainly, the numbers of occurrences are most often indivisible by 5. Also, an exact count of vords would be possible only if finding all missing folios. 
  The attempt here is to investigate potential niches which might prove useful in evaluating the constructed language hypothesis.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 05-05-2025, 12:54 PM

  (02-05-2025, 11:31 AM)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The sun in the solar folio of the f85-86 foldout has 14 rays while the Lithuanian coat of arms has 13 rays. 
  
  The description of the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is as follows: "Radiant sun - a Lithuanian Coat of Arms in the Council of Constance in 1416. From an Armorial (a book of coats-of-arms), produced in 1416. Made by a Portuguese herald, attending the Council of Constance".

  
  A similar sun with 14 rays appears three centuries later in 1765 in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
  It seems that there is an untold story about the origin of the 14-ray sun.
  
  

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 05-05-2025, 01:47 PM

  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., see also You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The number of sun rays varies through history though.

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 05-05-2025, 11:40 PM

  The solar folio of the f85-86 foldout in the cipher manuscript depicts a popular theme about You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. which has its early origins in the philosophical work entitled "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view." written by the Roman philosopher Boethius. 
  
  In medieval times, the term "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view." (Rota Fortunae) was a symbol of fate, see the segment below from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. The manuscript is located in Paris, Bibliothèque nationale de France, Fr. 809, fol. 40r.
  
  The solar folio of the f85-86 foldout is an unusual composition of several distinct components some of which are listed below:
  - The sun noticeably resembles the sol charge of a documented royal coat of arms. 
  - The clockwise outward blue whirlwind is unique and no similar depiction has been found in known medieval Rota Fortunae illustrations.  
  - The circular frame is O-shaped like a horse's face-armor and possibly originates from ecclesiastical heraldry of Italian clergy. 
  - The young person seems to be holding a lily (possibly You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) which in known illustrations is held by the fully grown person on the top.
  - The fully grown person on the top seems to be pointing toward the adjacent lunar folio. 
  
     

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 06-05-2025, 12:31 AM

  It appears that the distinct arrangement of solar rays in the solar folio was reproduced in different parts of Europe during the 15th century.
  The illustration below is from "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.", Flemish, Ghent, Belgium (about 1475).

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 06-05-2025, 12:47 AM

  This fragment of a 14-ray sun is from "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.", perhaps Norfolk (written), East Anglia, England (about 1480–1490).

• RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout

  Dobri > 06-05-2025, 01:23 AM

  This fragment is from "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.", From a Bible historiale by Guiard des Moulins, French (Paris), c. 1400, Paris, Bibliotheque nationale de France, MS Francais 3, fol. 5v.
  
     
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