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• RE: A family of grammars for Voynichese

  ReneZ > Yesterday, 12:30 PM

  (Yesterday, 11:06 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.  I intend to release this transcription to be included in Rene's files, but it currently uses a somewhat incompatible format that I found more convenient to use while building it. Anyway most differences are like a/o, r/s, on ambiguous glyphs. And I also make more liberal use of ',' for uncertain word spaces.

  
  I would be happy to support that exercise.

• RE: A family of grammars for Voynichese

  Jorge_Stolfi > Yesterday, 01:57 PM

  (Yesterday, 11:06 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.REVISITING MY OLD WORD PARADIGM
  
  ...
  
    The next filter parses the valid EVA strings into the /elements/ of the word paradigm.
     
      {q} {o} {a} {y} {d} {r} {l} {s}   
      {ch} {che} {sh} {she} {ee} {eee}
      {k} {ke} {t} {te} {p} {pe} {f} {fe}
      {ckh} {ckhh} {ckhe} {ckhhe}
      {cth} {cthh} {cthe} {cthhe}
      {cph} {cphh} {cphe} {cphhe}
      {cfh} {cfhh} {cfhe} {cfhhe}
      {n} {in} {iin} {iiin}
      {m} {im} {iim} {iiim}
          {ir} {iir} {iiir}
         

  
  And here are the frequencies of elements in tokens that pass level 1 (parsing into 
  the elements above):
  
    12443.625000  0.09984 {a}
    21543.125000  0.17285 {o}
    15120.250000  0.12132 {y}
  
    5192.000000   0.04166 {q}
  
    11388.500000  0.09137 {d}
     9220.250000  0.07398 {l}
     5792.375000  0.04647 {r}
     2081.750000  0.01670 {s}
  
     5664.500000  0.04545 {ch}   3906.250000  0.03134 {che}
     3842.250000  0.03083 {ee}    324.000000  0.00260 {eee}
     2085.500000  0.01673 {sh}   1869.250000  0.01500 {she}
  
     7295.000000  0.05853 {k}    1519.000000  0.01219 {ke}
     4173.750000  0.03349 {t}     786.000000  0.00631 {te}
      316.000000  0.00254 {f}       0.0       0.0     {fe}
     1197.375000  0.00961 {p}       0.0       0.0     {pe}
  
  
      452.500000  0.00363 {ckh}   169.500000  0.00136 {ckhe}
      591.000000  0.00474 {cth}   148.000000  0.00119 {cthe}
       36.000000  0.00029 {cfh}    14.000000  0.00011 {cfhe}
      104.500000  0.00084 {cph}    49.000000  0.00039 {cphe}
  
       16.000000  0.00013 {ckhh}    0.0       0.0     {ckhhe}
       25.000000  0.00020 {cthh}    1.0       0.00001 {cthhe}
        1.0       0.00001 {cfhh}    0.0       0.0     {cfhhe}
        4.0       0.00003 {cphh}    2.0       0.00002 {cphhe}
  
      113.500000  0.00091 {n}     868.250000  0.00697 {m} 
     1665.500000  0.01336 {in}     40.000000  0.00032 {im} 
     3779.000000  0.03032 {iin}    15.000000  0.00012 {iim}
      159.000000  0.00128 {iiin}    1.0       0.00001 {iiim}
       
      487.750000  0.00391 {ir}
      130.500000  0.00105 {iir}
        1.0       0.00001 {iiir}
  
  Obviously some of the originally proposed elements hardly occur at all, and can be excluded from the "alphabet"  with little loss.
  
  In particular, note that element {ckhhe} does not occur, while {ckh},  {ckhe} and {ckhh} do.  I take that as evidence that {ckhe} and {ckhh} are just calligraphic variants of each other, and should perhaps be mapped and counted as such.  Ditto for the other three gallows, including p and p.
  
  Also note that while {cfh}, {cfhe},{cph} and {cphe} occur in reasonable numbers and proportions, {pe} and {fe} are completely absent.  This well-known anomaly may indicate that p and f are substitutes for te and ke.  Maybe the hook at the end of the arm is meant to be the e. 
  
  (But beware that the frequencies of these characters and digraphs cannot be relied upon to reveal what p and f mean.  Word frequencies on parag head lines, where most p and f are found, are very likely different from the word frequencies in the other lines; and character frequencies depend entirely on word frequencies.)
  
  And apparently we can exclude {iiir} and {iiim} from the element set.
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: A family of grammars for Voynichese

  Grove > Yesterday, 02:18 PM

  With p, f, cph, and cfh- how valid are they if they aren’t in the headline of a paragraph? What percentage of them fall outside of those identifiable headlines?
  
  And thanks for rewinding back to the earlier 2000’s 8-)

• RE: A family of grammars for Voynichese

  Jorge_Stolfi > 8 hours ago

  (Yesterday, 02:18 PM)Grove Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.With p, f, cph, and cfh- how valid are they if they aren’t in the headline of a paragraph? What percentage of them fall outside of those identifiable headlines?

  
  According to my scripts (if they are buggy, blame them, not me!), in running paragraph lines:

  • There are  683 head lines, 534 of which (~78%) contain puffs (p or f).  That is 1267 puffs total (~1.9 puffs per head line).
    

  • There are 3423 body lines,  370 of which (~11%) contain puffs.  That is  597 puffs total (~1 puff every 5.7 lines).
    

  However these numbers do not include the "fancy" puffs, like the one shaped like a woman's body,  that have been transcribed as weirdos.
  
  All the best, --stolfi

• RE: A family of grammars for Voynichese

  ReneZ > 3 hours ago

  (8 hours ago)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.However these numbers do not include the "fancy" puffs, like the one shaped like a woman's body,  that have been transcribed as weirdos.

  
  If you use STA, they are all together in a single family. The pedestalled ones are in three additional (small) families. STA is only available for all 'published' transliterations. If you want to add yours, we will first have to do the exercise of finding any 'new' characters, which is not trivial, but also not overly complicated.
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